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In article <3C3CCA5D.84202…@rogers.com>, J Wootton  <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: >Do you have OA or "simple" frozen shoulder?  Not to minimalize your pain, but I found >out a while ago, there’s a difference.  I’d been calling mine frozen too because it >is. >The person who gives the injections said that for frozen shoulder she typically gives >10mls of cortisone on each side of the shoulder, whereas with OA it’s 40 mls right >into the AC joint.

No bone damage anywhere but my feet yet.  And that’s mostly because I started doing high impact scottish and irish dance when I was 15.  It’s "simple" frozen shoulder because it’s just the connective tissues forming adhesions. However, the manipulation required last time to break down those adhesions convinced me that I REALLY don’t want to do that again.  Once things settle down some more, I’m supposed to do physical therapy to help build up some weak muscles.  He also wants us working on scapula stability, since the whole shoulder joint is pretty loose.  Same routine I’ve done with my wrists, ankles, knees, and hips at various times.  I have rubberband ligaments. — Lee M.Thompson-Herbert        l…@retro.com            KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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In article <a1j5ic$cf…@gw.retro.com>, l…@gw.retro.com (Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thompson-Herbert) wrote: > In article <3C3CCA5D.84202…@rogers.com>, > J Wootton  <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: > >Do you have OA or "simple" frozen shoulder?  Not to minimalize your pain, but I found > >out a while ago, there’s a difference.  I’d been calling mine frozen too because it > >is. > >The person who gives the injections said that for frozen shoulder she typically gives > >10mls of cortisone on each side of the shoulder, whereas with OA it’s 40 mls right > >into the AC joint. > No bone damage anywhere but my feet yet.  And that’s mostly because I started > doing high impact scottish and irish dance when I was 15.  It’s "simple" > frozen shoulder because it’s just the connective tissues forming adhesions. > However, the manipulation required last time to break down those adhesions > convinced me that I REALLY don’t want to do that again.  Once things settle > down some more, I’m supposed to do physical therapy to help build up some > weak muscles.  He also wants us working on scapula stability, since the > whole shoulder joint is pretty loose.  Same routine I’ve done with my > wrists, ankles, knees, and hips at various times.  I have rubberband > ligaments. > — > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert        l…@retro.com           KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

Lee hope the shoulder is better. I had bursitis in my shoulder for years and we went the prednisone injection route. Last month they did surgery and found no cartilage left at all.  They operated by slicing through part of the shoulder and muscle and taking out bone and the little ball and replacing it with a 7 inch spike and metal ball.  It hurts to lift the arm still but when I go to the gym and get in the pool I can work it out pretty well.  Have trouble lifting the arm above my waist, and my poor husband has to help me dress and brush my hair.  He is very creative about it and he makes me laugh. This all leads back to how many shots they give you over a long period of time. I take 50mg Vioxx every day and it is not helping any so I hope to get permission to quit.  I started getting shots in my early twenties for the problem and 40 years of the prednisone shots really wrecked it.  cheers  ruth

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Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Sigh.  I may end up having my shoulder injected, as well.  Orthopedist told > me that if conservative treatment doesn’t help it enough

wet towel micro-waved? > in the next three > weeks, I should just have it injected.  I’ve had frozen shoulder in that > shoulder before, so he’s got _me_ convinced.  Stupid me, I slacked off > during the holidays, then spent all weekend playing flute.  While wearing > a heavy coat which weighed down the arm I have to hold up.  Duh.

Well, here’s my "duh".  Leaves and chestnuts fell.  So in order to conserve arm movements, I raked them into a pile then, shovelled them into the bag.  The wrist twist motion gave me tennis elbow..and started this current.  It had just calmed down after about a month of conservative treatment, when more leaves and nuts fell, so what did I do?  Same thing (thought it would be okay because there were less leaves/nuts and I’d wrapped my elbow with a tensor (sp) bandage.  Nope, then when the cold hit, it migrated to neck, skull and spine.  Duh me. (didn’t help when the city couldn’t make up their minds if the bags were "yard waste" "leaf collection" or "trash".  Twice I dragged the bags out to the road on the day per their instructions.  Twice I had to drag them back when the trucks ignored them. > Now I have more vicodin and instructions to keep doing range of motion > exercises so the shoulder doesn’t freeze up again.  It’s been a good 5 > or 6 years since I’ve been this stupid about my hands and arms.  Guess > I was due for a reminder that the penalty for acting stupid is pain.

No kidding ! Do you have OA or "simple" frozen shoulder?  Not to minimalize your pain, but I found out a while ago, there’s a difference.  I’d been calling mine frozen too because it is. The person who gives the injections said that for frozen shoulder she typically gives 10mls of cortisone on each side of the shoulder, whereas with OA it’s 40 mls right into the AC joint. http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/shoulderprobs/shoulderqa.htm Mine falls under "Arthritis of the Shoulder" I guess. Anyways, pain is pain.  Hope yours feels better soon. J PS Good thing you don’t play the tuba

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:06:16 GMT, J Wootton <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: >Smart?  Your memory amazes me.  It was today.  Got the injection.  Same shoulder >but different injection point. >Oddly enough, so far, I don’t have the severe burning reaction I had last time >for two days (after the injection).

sounds like the previous injection hit a nerve – literally.  that can make for some pretty bad burning pain even if it’s just a vaccination. I had the HepB series a few years ago (working in a medical environment it’s a requirement).  The first shot didn’t hurt.  The second one my arm ached for a day or two like you describe.  The third had no problems at all.  Boss-Lady (MD) said it was ’cause the second shot was too close to a significant nerve.  that’s part of why they try to give such shots in more fleshy areas.

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In article <h6so3ug0v2dt03hm6ptuaf3amjti62c…@4ax.com>, KCat <kcdoc…@ghg.net> wrote [] > Boss-Lady (MD) said it was ’cause the second >shot was too close to a significant nerve.  that’s part of why they >try to give such shots in more fleshy areas.

That’s all right if you *have* any fleshy areas! — Andy [Editor, Austrian Philatelic Society] For Austrian philately <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/austamps> For Lupus <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/lupus> For my other interests <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk>

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KCat wrote: > sounds like the previous injection hit a nerve – literally. []  The > second one my arm ached for a day or two like you describe.  The third > had no problems at all.  Boss-Lady (MD) said it was ’cause the second > shot was too close to a significant nerve.  that’s part of why they > try to give such shots in more fleshy areas.

Well KCat, in this case she gave the shot where she found the most pain (a different area of the same joint).  I can say the injection site is sore but nothing like the previous time.  OTOH I’m wondering when the pain relief starts.  Maybe I’m just too impatient but I was hoping for some immediate relief.  Instead now I’m getting new pains in my forearm In addition (she says that the cortisone does/should help other areas), so far my neck and spine still hurt. I’m also being told different stories about steroids and OA no problem for OA as long as 1) the injections aren’t too frequent 2) no problem at all, it’s the oral steroids which can do damage 3) no problem at all, it’s the needle that can do damage to, for instance, the cartilage, if given too close in the tissue to the previous injection 4) no problem at all for injection nor oral for OA, but the oral can cause problems with other organs? (Just trying to figure out if I should ask my doc for oral instead of injection). He’s previously said "no". J

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Correction.. dangers of steroids and osteoporosis (not steroids and OA) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J Wootton wrote:

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In article <3C3BA5F0.8F725…@rogers.com>, J Wootton  <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: [...] >Smart?  Your memory amazes me.  It was today.  Got the injection.  Same shoulder >but different injection point. >Oddly enough, so far, I don’t have the severe burning reaction I had last time >for two days (after the injection). >I’ll be able to tell later (in bed) whether the injection is helping or not with >the shoulder.  Still have neck pain tho, but not as severe as over the past few >weeks.  Always something eh?  Six of one, half dozen of other is turning into >one of my most-used expressions.

Sigh.  I may end up having my shoulder injected, as well.  Orthopedist told me that if conservative treatment doesn’t help it enough in the next three weeks, I should just have it injected.  I’ve had frozen shoulder in that shoulder before, so he’s got _me_ convinced.  Stupid me, I slacked off during the holidays, then spent all weekend playing flute.  While wearing a heavy coat which weighed down the arm I have to hold up.  Duh.   Now I have more vicodin and instructions to keep doing range of motion exercises so the shoulder doesn’t freeze up again.  It’s been a good 5 or 6 years since I’ve been this stupid about my hands and arms.  Guess I was due for a reminder that the penalty for acting stupid is pain. — Lee M.Thompson-Herbert        l…@retro.com            KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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BJ wrote: > How do you do that? Not only do you remember things, but you find such good > info. ( reverent silence)

Dunno, think someone would pay me to be an online researcher (as long as I could set the hours)?  As John knows (he ordered me back to bed this a.m.), I’m up in the wee hours, and if I’m not in too much pain or brain-fogged, the ‘net just flies. > I haven’t followed through on that. It means going > to the doctor again.

Yes, well, your going to talk to him about pain meds anyways.  gotcha! <g> > I do enough of that. I guess I am doctored out right > now. I have a number of important things that need attention.I know I should > do something about it. My grandmother shared a room with me when she came to > visit. I remember being frightened as a kid because she snored loudly and > then would stop breathing for a while. She had a heart condition and died at > age 73. My Dad and his twin brother were like that too. My Dad died of a > heart attack at 53 and his brother from the same at 61. Definitely some > family history there. Somehow though, I think of that as the least of my > problems.

Well, just talked to my brother.  Despite a year on CPAP he’s still very fatigued and still sleep-deprived. There was a feeling of an immediate improvement and if his power doesn’t fail, he does sleep better and through the night. Otherwise, the stopping breathing wakes him up every 2 or 3 hours, can’t get into the proper sequential sleep stages that way. What I’m saying is that it might help you with some of the fatigue, and might extend your health and life. Just depends I guess, how severe your apnea is. > Don’t you go for that shot today? Maybe it is the 10th that you > go. I am not as smart as some people I know. You are a good kid.

Smart?  Your memory amazes me.  It was today.  Got the injection.  Same shoulder but different injection point. Oddly enough, so far, I don’t have the severe burning reaction I had last time for two days (after the injection). I’ll be able to tell later (in bed) whether the injection is helping or not with the shoulder.  Still have neck pain tho, but not as severe as over the past few weeks.  Always something eh?  Six of one, half dozen of other is turning into one of my most-used expressions. J PS Kid, i wish.  I’ve been XXX going on 18 ever since my 29th birthday.

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Hi J, How do you do that? Not only do you remember things, but you find such good info. ( reverent silence) I haven’t followed through on that. It means going to the doctor again. I do enough of that. I guess I am doctored out right now. I have a number of important things that need attention.I know I should do something about it. My grandmother shared a room with me when she came to visit. I remember being frightened as a kid because she snored loudly and then would stop breathing for a while. She had a heart condition and died at age 73. My Dad and his twin brother were like that too. My Dad died of a heart attack at 53 and his brother from the same at 61. Definitely some family history there. Somehow though, I think of that as the least of my problems. Don’t you go for that shot today? Maybe it is the 10th that you go. I am not as smart as some people I know. You are a good kid. Thank you. Fondly, BJ "J Wootton" <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:3C3AB1EA.3F3EAEB6@rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello BJ, > Just remembered a post that you made last October as follows…. > Yes, I do not what you mean about sleeping so much, but never feeling > rested. My husband says that I stop breathing for > rather lengthy intervals, gasp and begin breathing again. He says that > sometimes it takes so long that he pokes me to get me to take a deep > breath and start again. He thinks it is sleep apnea and wants me to > see the dr about it. I haven’t done that yet. <snip> > http://www.sask.cbc.ca/archives/apnea/ > Procyshen’s doctor referred him to Dr. Sridhar, at the Sleep Clinic, > located in the  Regina General Hospital. > The machine is provided free of charge through the Saskatchewan Aids > for Independent Living. However, the nose mask and hose must be > purchased. They cost several hundred dollars.<snip> > Did I tell you that there’s a portable home-version tester?  It’s only > available to those who can’t access sleep clinics. > Perhaps your husband could call your doctor and request that the unit > be ordered?  (it’s loaned out) and then you could do the testing at > home where you are comfier.  You wear the thing every night for a > number of days.  Then it’s sent back and the results are put into a > computer.  Then they know how severe the apnea is and what levels to > start you on with the CPAP. > Apparently the tester is quite user-friendly.  Plug it in and some > light attachment on the head which does some measuring at the nose or > mouth.  Unplug in the a.m. and proceed with your day.  Use it only > when you are sleeping (sitting or lying down). > Hope you’ll think about it.  Sleep apnea can have serious consequences > to the heart and vascular. > Gotta stick around a long time so we can enjoy your company. > J

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Hello BJ, Just remembered a post that you made last October as follows…. Yes, I do not what you mean about sleeping so much, but never feeling rested. My husband says that I stop breathing for rather lengthy intervals, gasp and begin breathing again. He says that sometimes it takes so long that he pokes me to get me to take a deep breath and start again. He thinks it is sleep apnea and wants me to see the dr about it. I haven’t done that yet. <snip> http://www.sask.cbc.ca/archives/apnea/ Procyshen’s doctor referred him to Dr. Sridhar, at the Sleep Clinic, located in the  Regina General Hospital. The machine is provided free of charge through the Saskatchewan Aids for Independent Living. However, the nose mask and hose must be purchased. They cost several hundred dollars.<snip> Did I tell you that there’s a portable home-version tester?  It’s only available to those who can’t access sleep clinics. Perhaps your husband could call your doctor and request that the unit be ordered?  (it’s loaned out) and then you could do the testing at home where you are comfier.  You wear the thing every night for a number of days.  Then it’s sent back and the results are put into a computer.  Then they know how severe the apnea is and what levels to start you on with the CPAP. Apparently the tester is quite user-friendly.  Plug it in and some light attachment on the head which does some measuring at the nose or mouth.  Unplug in the a.m. and proceed with your day.  Use it only when you are sleeping (sitting or lying down). Hope you’ll think about it.  Sleep apnea can have serious consequences to the heart and vascular. Gotta stick around a long time so we can enjoy your company. J

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