Help Chronic Pain

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A few, ok everybody, has heard me complain that my former OB (baby doctor) had retired leaving me no choice but to find a new one…. Ever so often, I have called the clinic for a status update on her leave of absence. A month or so ago, they confirmed that she would probably be retiring, they expect her to. I asked then, if she was sick or was she taking another sabatical for ill family members (she took six months for her dying father previous to this). The receptionist said yes, she was ill, but it was not life-threatening.  Hmmmmmmmm, I thought, but left it because that was way more than they could have given me. Today, I had lunch with a good friend of mine who is familiar with an aquaintance of this particular doctor. Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. Anyway, nothing special, and no really big news. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good.  I didn’t know her personally or privately, but she was very beloved and one of my favorites ever (out of dentists, optomitrists, GYN’s, GP’s…) to have treated me. So just a bummed piece of news I heard today, wanted to share since I’ve selfishly grumbled for missing out on her care during this pregnancy. Grace

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Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good. Grace

If Dr Seiler has fibro, then she may not work again. the disease can be crippling, much related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and arthritis. Can be extremely painful, is treated on the lines of chronic pain and has really knocked Dot down. Purrs and Prayers for your doctor, I hope she doesn’t have it. dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good. Grace If Dr Seiler has fibro, then she may not work again. the disease can be crippling, much related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and arthritis. Can be extremely painful, is treated on the lines of chronic pain and has really knocked Dot down. Purrs and Prayers for your doctor, I hope she doesn’t have it. dave

Dave, (or Dot if you are there) Does Dot try dietary means of helping her Fibro? I have read that some people really see help through changes in diet (CFS people seem to agree on this too, though not necessarily the doctors). Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good. Grace If Dr Seiler has fibro, then she may not work again. the disease can be crippling, much related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and arthritis. Can be extremely painful, is treated on the lines of chronic pain and has really knocked Dot down. Purrs and Prayers for your doctor, I hope she doesn’t have it. dave

Me too Dave.  I thought of Dot when I heard the news. I wouldn’t say I’m confident that she does have fibro, because my friend couldn’t positively remember.  She said she was pretty sure almost positive but not quite. Her husband would remember the conversation it came up in a few weeks ago.  Off handedly I  figured if it wasn’t fibro then it could have been something similiar in name like cystic fibrosis.  I do that alot, latch onto something that shares part of the same name, in this case fibro. I hope she’s well, I hope she doesn’t have fibro but I doubt that she’ll be back to work at any rate. More than likely she does have fibro because my friend remembers things pretty well even if she adds clarifiers that she may be wrong. But she has been sick, and whatever the problem is, it’s incapacitating. I’m adding purrs and prayers along with yours. Grace

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I do hope you find a great doctor, Grace, be it your previous one or a new one altogether. Best wishes, — Polonca & Soncek

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few, ok everybody, has heard me complain that my former OB (baby doctor) had retired leaving me no choice but to find a new one…. <snip

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I have found a wonderful doctor, the one who saw me during my last pregnancy while my previous doctor was off that day.  He was unfortunately not accepting new patients (the best ones tend to have a year+ wait in this town) but as soon as I am released from my current doctor, my previous clinic has encouraged me to call and make an appointment so I can get in on his patient list. Grace

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do hope you find a great doctor, Grace, be it your previous one or a new one altogether. Best wishes, — Polonca & Soncek A few, ok everybody, has heard me complain that my former OB (baby doctor) had retired leaving me no choice but to find a new one…. <snip

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good. Grace If Dr Seiler has fibro, then she may not work again. the disease can be crippling, much related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and arthritis. Can be extremely painful, is treated on the lines of chronic pain and has really knocked Dot down. Purrs and Prayers for your doctor, I hope she doesn’t have it. dave Dave, (or Dot if you are there) Does Dot try dietary means of helping her Fibro? I have read that some people really see help through changes in diet (CFS people seem to agree on this too, though not necessarily the doctors). Karen

Different foods don’t seem to help. There are some people who seem to get relief from guff… (can’t spell it) but Dot is not one of them. Dot is more a victem of traumatic fibro and with a componet of sleep depravation – night duties as a nurse. She has a major back injury with lots of soft tissue injury. We have changed her meds and she is sleeping better now. dave

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Great idea! I do hope you get the doctor you prefer ASAP. Best wishes and purrs for you and your baby who is kicking you (this reminds me of Soncek biting me. I tell him "Do not bite the hand that feeds you"), — Polonca & Soncek

I have found a wonderful doctor, the one who saw me during my last

pregnancy <snip

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good. Grace If Dr Seiler has fibro, then she may not work again. the disease can be crippling, much related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and arthritis. Can be extremely painful, is treated on the lines of chronic pain and has really knocked Dot down. Purrs and Prayers for your doctor, I hope she doesn’t have it. dave Dave, (or Dot if you are there) Does Dot try dietary means of helping her Fibro? I have read that some people really see help through changes in diet (CFS people seem to agree on this too, though not necessarily the doctors). Karen Different foods don’t seem to help. There are some people who seem to get relief from guff… (can’t spell it) but Dot is not one of them. Dot is more a victem of traumatic fibro and with a componet of sleep depravation – night duties as a nurse. She has a major back injury with lots of soft tissue injury. We have changed her meds and she is sleeping better now. dave

I have often wondered if forcing your body into something other than it’s natural cirrcadian rhythm has a part in illness. I wonder if there are any studies? Karen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few, ok everybody, has heard me complain that my former OB (baby doctor) had retired leaving me no choice but to find a new one…. Ever so often, I have called the clinic for a status update on her leave of absence. A month or so ago, they confirmed that she would probably be retiring, they expect her to. I asked then, if she was sick or was she taking another sabatical for ill family members (she took six months for her dying father previous to this). The receptionist said yes, she was ill, but it was not life-threatening.  Hmmmmmmmm, I thought, but left it because that was way more than they could have given me. Today, I had lunch with a good friend of mine who is familiar with an aquaintance of this particular doctor. Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. Anyway, nothing special, and no really big news. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good.  I didn’t know her personally or privately, but she was very beloved and one of my favorites ever (out of dentists, optomitrists, GYN’s, GP’s…) to have treated me. So just a bummed piece of news I heard today, wanted to share since I’ve selfishly grumbled for missing out on her care during this pregnancy.

Please write her a letter to say what you’ve just said here. And then give it to the receptionist to forward to her home address. She’ll love the feedback, and it may even help her feel physically better as well. Even if she does retire, she’d retire with the knowledge that she was good at what she did and was appreciated. Thats important. Yowie — RPCA FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good. Grace If Dr Seiler has fibro, then she may not work again. the disease can be crippling, much related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and arthritis. Can be extremely painful, is treated on the lines of chronic pain and has really knocked Dot down. Purrs and Prayers for your doctor, I hope she doesn’t have it. dave Dave, (or Dot if you are there) Does Dot try dietary means of helping her Fibro? I have read that some people really see help through changes in diet (CFS people seem to agree on this too, though not necessarily the doctors). Karen Different foods don’t seem to help. There are some people who seem to get relief from guff… (can’t spell it) but Dot is not one of them. Dot is more a victem of traumatic fibro and with a componet of sleep depravation – night duties as a nurse. She has a major back injury with lots of soft tissue injury. We have changed her meds and she is sleeping better now. dave I have often wondered if forcing your body into something other than it’s natural cirrcadian rhythm has a part in illness. I wonder if there are any studies?

My natural circadian rhythm wants me to wake up at about 10am, then have about an hour or two’s nap at about 3 and then stay awake until about 1am. Unfortunatley I have a 9-5 job, and I still haven’t managed to get into work on time this year (luckily its not strictly enforced and I do work back to make up the ‘lost’ time). Anyone who knows me can tell you that I’m *not* a morning person. Joel’s circadian rhythym, on the other hand, is on a cycle of about 36 hours. It drives me nuts both how long he can stay up for and how long he can sleep. Yowie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good. Grace If Dr Seiler has fibro, then she may not work again. the disease can be crippling, much related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and arthritis. Can be extremely painful, is treated on the lines of chronic pain and has really knocked Dot down. Purrs and Prayers for your doctor, I hope she doesn’t have it. dave Dave, (or Dot if you are there) Does Dot try dietary means of helping her Fibro? I have read that some people really see help through changes in diet (CFS people seem to agree on this too, though not necessarily the doctors). Karen Different foods don’t seem to help. There are some people who seem to get relief from guff… (can’t spell it) but Dot is not one of them. Dot is more a victem of traumatic fibro and with a componet of sleep depravation – night duties as a nurse. She has a major back injury with lots of soft tissue injury. We have changed her meds and she is sleeping better now. dave I have often wondered if forcing your body into something other than it’s natural cirrcadian rhythm has a part in illness. I wonder if there are any studies? My natural circadian rhythm wants me to wake up at about 10am, then have about an hour or two’s nap at about 3 and then stay awake until about 1am. Unfortunatley I have a 9-5 job, and I still haven’t managed to get into work on time this year (luckily its not strictly enforced and I do work back to make up the ‘lost’ time). Anyone who knows me can tell you that I’m *not* a morning person. Joel’s circadian rhythym, on the other hand, is on a cycle of about 36 hours. It drives me nuts both how long he can stay up for and how long he can sleep. Yowie

That would be rough!  My circadian rhythm is similar to yours, although I tend to wake up earlier and have my nap right after lunch. Joy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few, ok everybody, has heard me complain that my former OB (baby doctor) had retired leaving me no choice but to find a new one…. Ever so often, I have called the clinic for a status update on her leave of absence. A month or so ago, they confirmed that she would probably be retiring, they expect her to. I asked then, if she was sick or was she taking another sabatical for ill family members (she took six months for her dying father previous to this). The receptionist said yes, she was ill, but it was not life-threatening.  Hmmmmmmmm, I thought, but left it because that was way more than they could have given me. Today, I had lunch with a good friend of mine who is familiar with an aquaintance of this particular doctor. Grapevine is that Dr. Seiler has fibromayalgia.  Spelling is off but that’s close enough to figure it out. Anyway, nothing special, and no really big news. I just have a reason of her impending (if not recent) retirement. I had held out hope she was coming back but the grapevine has said she’s not doing so good.  I didn’t know her personally or privately, but she was very beloved and one of my favorites ever (out of dentists, optomitrists, GYN’s, GP’s…) to have treated me. So just a bummed piece of news I heard today, wanted to share since I’ve selfishly grumbled for missing out on her care during this pregnancy. Please write her a letter to say what you’ve just said here. And then give it to the receptionist to forward to her home address. She’ll love the feedback, and it may even help her feel physically better as well. Even if she does retire, she’d retire with the knowledge that she was good at what she did and was appreciated. Thats important. Yowie

Great idea dave

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That would be rough!  My circadian rhythm is similar to yours, although I tend to wake up earlier and have my nap right after lunch. Joy

That’s my rhythm too. I wake up around sunrise & get sleepy about 1pm. Suz Iron Chef Macmoosette Thank Heavens There’s Only One =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=  We are Borg of dyslexia. Resistors are fertile; prepare to have your a$$ laminated.

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I really dislike my rhythm. I can’t fall asleep until around 2 am then I’m up at 12. I have tried to change this to no avail but going to bed an hour earlier and setting my alarm clock for an hour earlier foe weeks. It’s weird…I end up very grumpy and it’s like my whole day it off, just by an hour. But, I went back to my old schedule and did just fine. I was up once 36 hours when my son had surgery. I don’t know how anyone does that! Janie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That would be rough!  My circadian rhythm is similar to yours, although I tend to wake up earlier and have my nap right after lunch. Joy That’s my rhythm too. I wake up around sunrise & get sleepy about 1pm. Suz Iron Chef Macmoosette Thank Heavens There’s Only One =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=   =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=  We are Borg of dyslexia. Resistors are fertile; prepare to have your a$$ laminated.

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  I really dislike my rhythm. I can’t fall asleep until around 2 am   then I’m up at 12. I have tried to change this to no avail   Janie Mine used to be like yours – to bed around 2, up at 10:30 AM or so. But it’s been getting gradually later and later, and now it’s pretty much out of control. These days, I’m up until 4 or 5 AM, and I sleep until early afternoon. My downstairs neighbors keep the same hours, as does a good friend of mine. Sometimes when I come home from the friend’s house, at nearly dawn, I see my neighbors in their living room. I think of all of us as the "vampire shift." I’m not a big party-goer or night-clubber – really, my life is pretty sedate. In the wee hours, if I’m not hanging out with my night-owl pal, I’m most likely on my computer. (So much for the "degenerate" stereotype. ) It would be nice to keep the same hours as everyone else, though – it can be a bit socially isolating. I’d be happy to go out for a movie at 11 PM, and that’s about bedtime for most people I know! However, all the attempts I’ve ever made to change my hours have been futile. My body just *doesn’t* want to do it. Joyce

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about circadian rhythms: Mine used to be like yours – to bed around 2, up at 10:30 AM or so. But it’s been getting gradually later and later, and now it’s pretty much out of control. These days, I’m up until 4 or 5 AM, and I sleep until early afternoon. My downstairs neighbors keep the same hours, as does a good friend of mine. Sometimes when I come home from the friend’s house, at nearly dawn, I see my neighbors in their living room. I think of all of us as the "vampire shift."

My circadian is basically random, which really gets annoying, but I’ve tried to regulate it, and that just doesn’t work for me. — Seanette Blaylock [make obvious address correction for e-mail] "Either you’re being sarcastic, or your post leaked over to me from a parallel universe, or one or both of us is insane and/or stupid and/or not paying attention and/or lying." Ben, ATSR

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I’d like my circadian rhythm to be go to bed at 11:00 pm and get up at 6:15 a.m. but my cats have other ideas (especially Omar who pulls out all the stops to get me up) and today they woke me up at 5 a.m. Christine (meowmie to Omar, Midnight, Shetra & Oreo) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – about circadian rhythms: Mine used to be like yours – to bed around 2, up at 10:30 AM or so. But it’s been getting gradually later and later, and now it’s pretty much out of control. These days, I’m up until 4 or 5 AM, and I sleep until early afternoon. My downstairs neighbors keep the same hours, as does a good friend of mine. Sometimes when I come home from the friend’s house, at nearly dawn, I see my neighbors in their living room. I think of all of us as the "vampire shift." My circadian is basically random, which really gets annoying, but I’ve tried to regulate it, and that just doesn’t work for me. — Seanette Blaylock [make obvious address correction for e-mail] "Either you’re being sarcastic, or your post leaked over to me from a parallel universe, or one or both of us is insane and/or stupid and/or not paying attention and/or lying." Ben, ATSR

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 (snip) I have often wondered if forcing your body into something other than it’s natural cirrcadian rhythm has a part in illness. I wonder if there are any studies? There are some, I think the New York Times Science supplement (Tuesday) did an article on it recently. Apparently it has a lot of effect on people in intensive care, where there is no natural day or night, and in hospitals in general when they don’t turn out the lights.

The noise level in a hospital can make a big difference as well.  The last time I was in a hospital, they let me shut the room door at night, so at least I would get two or three hours sleep at a time in between having them come in and wake me up to check my vital signs or draw a blood sample.  The time before that, in a different hospital, I had a room directly across from the nurses’ station, and every time that I would shut my door, they would open it again.  They talked to each other at full volume all night long, so my sleep was rather sketchy. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 Int. for non-commercial use <http://www.pgpinternational.com iQA/AwUBPMnxyTMYPge5L34aEQLSTgCfVHRZoW6VfnMqQEN8XFB1c1CHA7YAoKJ0 igsXTy6lL8JgMVRPKJI5xFIS =nEEX —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– — PGP key available from http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 "There must be, not a balance of power, but a community of power; not organized rivalries, but an organized common peace." Woodrow Wilson

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 (snip) I have often wondered if forcing your body into something other than it’s natural cirrcadian rhythm has a part in illness. I wonder if there are any studies? There are some, I think the New York Times Science supplement (Tuesday) did an article on it recently. Apparently it has a lot of effect on people in intensive care, where there is no natural day or night, and in hospitals in general when they don’t turn out the lights.

It has a name.  ICU psychosis.  My grams was in the ICU for a month after her open heart surgery had gone awry.  She was hallucinating at one point. I had got to the hospital, as I did every morning, at 8am.  Grams was in a rather chipper mood just getting off the vent and only having 12 bags of gunk pouring into her system.  She was all excited telling me that there were cats and dogs all over the hospital.  And that they brought parrots in too.  Me, not even thinking grams was loopy, thought maybe they had brought in some therapy animals for the patients.  It never occurred to me that at that moment that they would NOT have animals of any kind in the ICU!  LOL. She hallucinated for 2 days while they adjusted her meds so she could sleep. She saw bugs, fire ants, oh the fire ants were everywhere, even on me! There was a nun sitting in the window who she insisted I offer a glass of water too. The wolfman (doc with a beard).  I also had to (imaginarily) change her sheets and blankets because water was coming out of the TV.  The funniest thing she said was, "take those fuzzy spiders off my toes when you go home. And get all these god damn sparkly cats out of here too".  Oh boy! The nurses explained this is pretty common stuff.  The lights, the noise, right off.  Now grams looks back and chuckles with the rest of us over that. She was telling my aunt all the things she saw and she named off all of the things including a squirrel on water skis…..um, the funny thing is she really DID see a squirrel on water skis.  It was on the news program we were watching.  LOL.  Poor grams. TJ

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I’ve been hospitalized several times over the last few years with various heart problems, usually critical and urgent. I demand, and get, a quiet room with the door closed. I get belligerent, hostile, and vituperative until they comply. Twice I’ve gone so far as to get out of bed and get dressed to leave because of the noise level. You just have to speak up, vigorously. Once they discharged me from a hospital in Iowa at 11 AM. I was there for three days with another heart attack. They phoned a prescription down to the pharmacy for me to pick up on the way out. After five hours cooling my heels in the pharmacy, said pharmacy being crammed full of loud people, I walked up to the counter and slammed my fist into the wall, hard. It shook the whole room. Everything got quiet. I said, in a loud voice, "Look, you stupid sack of $%^&, I’m coming over the counter and get my prescription, and I’m going to whip your %^& on the way by." He had it ready for me in less than a minute. You just have to speak up. The noise level in a hospital can make a big difference as well.  The last time I was in a hospital, they let me shut the room door at night, so at least I would get two or three hours sleep at a time in between having them come in and wake me up to check my vital signs or draw a blood sample.  The time before that, in a different hospital, I had a room directly across from the nurses’ station, and every time that I would shut my door, they would open it again.  They talked to each other at full volume all night long, so my sleep was rather sketchy.

– An atheist can’t find G-d for the same reason a truant can’t find a truant officer.

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I’ve been hospitalized several times over the last few years with various heart problems, usually critical and urgent. I demand, and get, a quiet room with the door closed. I get belligerent, hostile, and vituperative until they comply. Twice I’ve gone so far as to get out of bed and get dressed to leave because of the noise level. You just have to speak up, vigorously. Once they discharged me from a hospital in Iowa at 11 AM. I was there for three days with another heart attack. They phoned a prescription down to the pharmacy for me to pick up on the way out. After five hours cooling my heels in the pharmacy, said pharmacy being crammed full of loud people, I walked up to the counter and slammed my fist into the wall, hard. It shook the whole room. Everything got quiet. I said, in a loud voice, "Look, you stupid sack of $%^&, I’m coming over the counter and get my prescription, and I’m going to whip your %^& on the way by." He had it ready for me in less than a minute. You just have to speak up.

Whoa. You sound like my otherwise mild-mannered husband who turns into my Patient Advocate From Hell when the situation requires it. (Problem is, my daughter is a critical care RN in the ICU. She says they are still talking about him) Sherry

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That kind of behavior is very rare for me. I always try to speak with a soft voice and say Please and Thank you and Ma’am and Sir. If you really want to see me get violent, let somebody try that with Patty. She’s the same way about me. She has given more than one doctor hark from the tomb for perceived mistreatment of me. She’s meaner than I am. Whoa. You sound like my otherwise mild-mannered husband who turns into my Patient Advocate From Hell when the situation requires it. (Problem is, my daughter is a critical care RN in the ICU. She says they are still talking about him) Sherry

– An atheist can’t find G-d for the same reason a truant can’t find a truant officer.

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Gee Dave,  you would have had a blast with me last summer.  I was in for four days for gall bladder surgery.  It disrupted liver enzymes so I was kept over for longer than normal.  It was quiet, I was visiting with my parents and all of a sudden a chair was thrown against my *thankfully* closed door.  Immediately a group of people begun screaming outside.  The three of us immediately thought crazed shooter, a fight of some sort, something very dangerous.  And then….. the wailing had begun right behind my head on the opposite side of the wall.  A man had just died….. and in zero point two seconds after this man passed away, the crowd (the entire church) went wild. Absolutely bonkers. As I said, a chair was thrown against my door.  It took every single nurse on my floor and some from the floor above me and below me to console these people and excercise some sort of damage control.  Two hours later, we finally got a nurse that came in and apologized profusely.  We were ok, weren’t at all that angry with the staff, they were doing the best they could do. And believe me, they were just as upset as several other non-participants.  It happened around noon and it was six or so before the halls got quite.  It was a full two hours later before the screaming stopped.  Phones were ringing off the hook, IV/heart monitor/various equipment checks went undone for that entire afternoon. Those poor nurses were swamped.  Later that evening, they sent around catholic staff  (priests, the sisters etc) to speak with the patients that were close by.  It was slightly disconcerting to hear people crying out. Not to mention the inability of the hospital staff to remove the body all that afternoon because the crowd of fifty or so wouldn’t allow it.  It was crazy and way to bizarre. A family is one thing to handle, but fifty+ crazed people was nearly impossible for our nurse. The hilarious part is that a few of the elderly women carried on so violently and hysterically, they were admitted to the emergency room for cardiac strain or something of the sort, a fit of the vapors mostly.  Mom escaped mid afternoon to smoke outside the ER and heard them come down.  So not only did third floor get it, ER did too. Grace

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been hospitalized several times over the last few years with various heart problems, usually critical and urgent. I demand, and get, a quiet room with the door closed. I get belligerent, hostile, and vituperative until they comply. Twice I’ve gone so far as to get out of bed and get dressed to leave because of the noise level. You just have to speak up, vigorously. Once they discharged me from a hospital in Iowa at 11 AM. I was there for three days with another heart attack. They phoned a prescription down to the pharmacy for me to pick up on the way out. After five hours cooling my heels in the pharmacy, said pharmacy being crammed full of loud people, I walked up to the counter and slammed my fist into the wall, hard. It shook the whole room. Everything got quiet. I said, in a loud voice, "Look, you stupid sack of $%^&, I’m coming over the counter and get my prescription, and I’m going to whip your %^& on the way by." He had it ready for me in less than a minute. You just have to speak up. The noise level in a hospital can make a big difference as well.  The last time I was in a hospital, they let me shut the room door at night, so at least I would get two or three hours sleep at a time in between having them come in and wake me up to check my vital signs or draw a blood sample.  The time before that, in a different hospital, I had a room directly across from the nurses’ station, and every time that I would shut my door, they would open it again.  They talked to each other at full volume all night long, so my sleep was rather sketchy. — An atheist can’t find G-d for the same reason a truant can’t find a truant officer.

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Whoa. You sound like my otherwise mild-mannered husband who turns into my Patient Advocate From Hell when the situation requires it. (Problem is, my daughter is a critical care RN in the ICU. She says they are still talking about him) Sherry

Tehe, reminds me of when they wouldn’t bring our newborn daughter to us. We kept getting "she’s taking a bath, she just took a bath it’s too cold, it’s not time for her to come, the pediatrician is seeing her, we’ll be there in ten minutes (ie don’t expect us, she’ll be getting another bath)".  DH politely said yes ma’am to the nurse, turned on a heel and stalked out the first Catholic nun he could find, explained how his wife hadn’t seen the baby since birth eight hours ago and pardon me sister, but it’s damned ridiculous. *big big grin* She fluffed those feathers, turned into a mother hen and assured him she would handle it and there *WILL* be no more trouble from any of the nursing staff in that nursery for the duration of my stay. My family has always used a catholic hospital, firstly because most of the time they’re the ones that has top technology first and the religious staff (nuns and such) is unbelievably supportive. We had that baby in less than three minutes btw Grace Who adores the religious staff of any hospital

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