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Hope you feel better soon.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Hi, Kate, Huddling on the couch is hard work.  I hope you are feeling better soon.

Today it’s my son’s turn to huddle on the sofa!  He was ikk this morning at 7 am… odd time to turn inside out!  he’s running a slight temperature, and looking and feeling distinctly peely wally, so I suspect a GERM of some sort. Luckily I am feeling much better. — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Hi, Kate, I hope your son feels better soon.  Glad to read that you are doing better. — Take Care Catherine 154/132.8/136 Lifetime 6/99 Next personal goal 132

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Kate, Huddling on the couch is hard work.  I hope you are feeling better soon. Today it’s my son’s turn to huddle on the sofa!  He was ikk this morning at 7 am… odd time to turn inside out!  he’s running a slight temperature, and looking and feeling distinctly peely wally, so I suspect a GERM of some sort. Luckily I am feeling much better. — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Hi, Kate, I hope your son feels better soon.  Glad to read that you are doing better.

He was much better by this evening, but only ate one and a half rounds of sanwiches all day, and drank a gallon of squash!  If he isn’t eating, I know it’s real!  Usually he eats as much as I do or more!  Not fat, him, just sturdily built! (Judo twice a week, plus cubs and playing around at school and the walk home keep him reasonably fit, but he needs to do more walking, or learn to swim!) — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe!

Sorry about the gain Kate. I hope you’re feeling better soon. — Erin in NZ 125/90/75 kgs 275.3/198.2/165 lbs RafL goal 180.6lbs (82 kilos) "It is not the mountain we conquer, it is ourselves"     Sir Edmund Hilary

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You ‘re always welcome in Antwerp, I ‘ll show you all the great chocolate shops! Or you could come with Krys and we ‘ll taste the beer too

Beer AND chocolate!  Don’t tempt me!  Yummy yummy both! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Hi, Kate, Huddling on the couch is hard work.  I hope you are feeling better soon. — Take Care Catherine 154/132.8/136 Lifetime 6/99 Next personal goal 132

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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OOoh – that reminds me.  My parents are going to Antwerp as part of a trip, in a couple of weeks time.  They’re very into food and beer – and I have a good beer guide for them.  But it would be great if you could recommend some wonderful places to eat.  And anything you think they absolutely have to do/see when there…. thanks hon — krys UK 157/130.2/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 …definitely making progress.. .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You ‘re always welcome in Antwerp, I ‘ll show you all the great chocolate shops! Or you could come with Krys and we ‘ll taste the beer too — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/101.4/minigoal 99.9 Goal 68 Kg 295.6/223.5/minigoal 220.3/Goal 150 pounds RAFL 105.3/101.4/96 Kg           232/223.5/212 lbs Kate, hope that fibro goes and hides quickly. Hugs, Donna Thanks!  Me too – in fact, I wish it would bugger off completely, but… Gotta look on the bright side: it won’t kill me and it won’t cripple me, and just occasionally it’s a damned good excuse to avoid doing something! ‘No, really, I’d love to join you for a half marathon/24 hr disco/10 day clubbing party in Benidorm (insert strenuous torture of choice!), but it wouldn’t be good for my fibromyalgia,’  or ‘I’d love to help you take 43 kids to Disneyland Paris for 3 days, but my Fibro has flared up – I’m useless at the moment!’ (I didn’t do school trips when I was teaching – I’m damned if I’m doing them now!).  Now, I’m almost sure I could find the energy and stamina to go on a 4 day all expenses paid wine tasting trip to the Loire valley vineyards, and I’m sure that a trip to Belgium to see how they make those fantastic fresh cream chocolates Harrods sell wouldn’t tax my strength too much, but nobody seems to be offering those opportunities at present… — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Love this post, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kate, hope that fibro goes and hides quickly. Hugs, Donna Thanks!  Me too – in fact, I wish it would bugger off completely, but… Gotta look on the bright side: it won’t kill me and it won’t cripple me, and just occasionally it’s a damned good excuse to avoid doing something! ‘No, really, I’d love to join you for a half marathon/24 hr disco/10 day clubbing party in Benidorm (insert strenuous torture of choice!), but it wouldn’t be good for my fibromyalgia,’  or ‘I’d love to help you take 43 kids to Disneyland Paris for 3 days, but my Fibro has flared up – I’m useless at the moment!’ (I didn’t do school trips when I was teaching – I’m damned if I’m doing them now!).  Now, I’m almost sure I could find the energy and stamina to go on a 4 day all expenses paid wine tasting trip to the Loire valley vineyards, and I’m sure that a trip to Belgium to see how they make those fantastic fresh cream chocolates Harrods sell wouldn’t tax my strength too much, but nobody seems to be offering those opportunities at present… — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on!

Hope you’re feeling better soon!! Only putting .5 on is good!! Connie — Cheers, Connie Walsh 241.5/204/155 RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

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Under the circumstances, I agree with your use of the ONLY word. Wish you well that the fibro recedes quickly so you can cut back on the painkillers, start eating again, and resume your walking. Prairie Roots – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on!

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That just plain sucks, better luck this week, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Kate, hope that fibro goes and hides quickly. Hugs, Donna — Donna in Idaho! Project Linus Boise/SW Idaho Coordinator Website: http://donnakwilts.tripod.com/ The ultimate inspiration is the deadline!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! Hope you’re feeling better soon!! Only putting .5 on is good!! Connie — Cheers, Connie Walsh 241.5/204/155 RAFL 210.5/204/198.5

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Hope you’re feeling better soon. Brenda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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You ‘re always welcome in Antwerp, I ‘ll show you all the great chocolate shops! Or you could come with Krys and we ‘ll taste the beer too — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/101.4/minigoal 99.9 Goal 68 Kg 295.6/223.5/minigoal 220.3/Goal 150 pounds RAFL 105.3/101.4/96 Kg           232/223.5/212 lbs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kate, hope that fibro goes and hides quickly. Hugs, Donna Thanks!  Me too – in fact, I wish it would bugger off completely, but… Gotta look on the bright side: it won’t kill me and it won’t cripple me, and just occasionally it’s a damned good excuse to avoid doing something! ‘No, really, I’d love to join you for a half marathon/24 hr disco/10 day clubbing party in Benidorm (insert strenuous torture of choice!), but it wouldn’t be good for my fibromyalgia,’  or ‘I’d love to help you take 43 kids to Disneyland Paris for 3 days, but my Fibro has flared up – I’m useless at the moment!’ (I didn’t do school trips when I was teaching – I’m damned if I’m doing them now!).  Now, I’m almost sure I could find the energy and stamina to go on a 4 day all expenses paid wine tasting trip to the Loire valley vineyards, and I’m sure that a trip to Belgium to see how they make those fantastic fresh cream chocolates Harrods sell wouldn’t tax my strength too much, but nobody seems to be offering those opportunities at present… — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Half a pound is not even worth mentioning under the circumstances:-) Get well soon! — Nathalie from Belgium 134.1/101.4/minigoal 99.9 Goal 68 Kg 295.6/223.5/minigoal 220.3/Goal 150 pounds RAFL 105.3/101.4/96 Kg           232/223.5/212 lbs

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Aw – shame you have to have such an icky week though – even if it did mean you didn’t gain more!  Not nice  Hope you have a better week this week. — krys UK 157/130.2/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 …definitely making progress…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get to use the ONLY word this week!  ONLY half a pound on!  Hehehe! The Fibro has been biting hard, so I spent the last three days breakfasting on painkillers…  These always depress my appetite so I don’t eat all my points, and I spent hours huddled on the sofa and have only walked up to school to collect James once this week.  :(  So the surprise is that I didn’t put MORE on! — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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Kate, hope that fibro goes and hides quickly. Hugs, Donna

Thanks!  Me too – in fact, I wish it would bugger off completely, but… Gotta look on the bright side: it won’t kill me and it won’t cripple me, and just occasionally it’s a damned good excuse to avoid doing something! ‘No, really, I’d love to join you for a half marathon/24 hr disco/10 day clubbing party in Benidorm (insert strenuous torture of choice!), but it wouldn’t be good for my fibromyalgia,’  or ‘I’d love to help you take 43 kids to Disneyland Paris for 3 days, but my Fibro has flared up – I’m useless at the moment!’ (I didn’t do school trips when I was teaching – I’m damned if I’m doing them now!).  Now, I’m almost sure I could find the energy and stamina to go on a 4 day all expenses paid wine tasting trip to the Loire valley vineyards, and I’m sure that a trip to Belgium to see how they make those fantastic fresh cream chocolates Harrods sell wouldn’t tax my strength too much, but nobody seems to be offering those opportunities at present… — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see   the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] Albert, I am glad you are feeling better. Please call me when you feel up to it. Hugs, Ralph Thanks so much for your support during this difficult period.  I hope that you are doing as well as possible, and of course know that the favor will always be returned:  two ears, no waiting : – } Sorry to sound so helpless, but I’ve lost your number.  Would you mind sending it to me again via email, please? Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Look for an E-mail coming soon to your In-box, probably sunday morning. Hugs, Ralph

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How did they "mess up" your finances?  My grandma used to live with me. Once, once, she came upstairs and looked at my finances.  She was so freaked out that I owed $5000 on two credit cards that she wrote checks and paid them off right then.  Thank you, God! I am hoping that this is what happened to you. — HyperBum

         HyperBum, If only what happened to you happened to me!  First off, an appology for my not answering your post sooner.  I’m sorry, but sometimes the chronic pain can rule my life for brief periods of time. What my family actually did was this: after getting my father’s bills (he is in a nursing home permanently) & my bills together, they proceeded to take them out of all of the envelopes and mix dis-similar bills together.  I always sort while still in the envelope when my depression gets in the way of bill-paying.  That way, you have all the phone bills together, the utility bills together, etc.  The way that my family did it will require weeks to fix, sadly.          Albert, taking baby steps in the right direction (for once!) —       Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (posted and emailed) Hello Albert- I’m so glad things are better for you!  I’m also glad that we were able to help you do things differently this time. Keep in mind that it often takes a couple of years to find the right medication combination–although you could luck out. I suggest you go to the archives and read some of Phinny’s earlier journals (if he archived them).  He had boundary issues with his family also and he found ways to deal with them.  He did rely heavily on therapy to help him–so I hope you have a therapist. Nancy

Thank you so much for the warnings & suggestions.  I am often guilty of seeing just a patch of blue sky, and believing that the rain will stop, the clouds will part, and the sun will come out : – }  As I mentioned to Colleen in this thread, I have three therapists: My out-of-hospital psychiatrist who only sees patients in the office. My in-hospital psychiatrist who only sees patients in the hospital. Finally, my talk-therapist who only sees patients in the office. This now brings the total number of docotors to SEVEN (YIKES!  If I see Brad Pitt or Morgan Freeman, I am really in deep dooty : – }  That means I only need 3 more docs to have a complete set, & I will be entered in the AMA’s/APA’s free trip to Jamaica raffle.          With Love, Caring, & Peace,                   Albert, amazed at the deafening silence —       Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see    the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] I am so glad you sought out help.  Deal with yourself first before dealing with family.  The stronger you become both physically and mentally the easier it will become to cope. Do you have a talk therapist?  He/she can help with the psycho/social aspects of this illness. Take care, c

Perhaps America is an odd place, for I actually have 3 therapists: My out-of-hospital psychiatrist who only sees patients in the office. My in-hospital psychiatrist who only sees patients in the hospital. Finally, my talk-therapist who only sees patients in the office. I am am working towards what you describe, becoming both pysically & mentally stronger. Now that I have lost my female significant other, the silence in my home is deafening.  I hope to begin work on that aspect this week as I see pscyhiatrist, psychologist, and neurologist.  And this is a slow week : – }  I have actually had weeks where I’ve seen all six of the docs that help me continue fighting.          Albert, learning how to take baby-steps in the right direction —       Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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Albert, I am sorry that your family screwed up your billing method.  Sometimes people do more harm than good when they think they are being helpful. I wish you luck getting things straightened out. — HyperBum

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How did they "mess up" your finances?  My grandma used to live with me. Once, once, she came upstairs and looked at my finances.  She was so freaked out that I owed $5000 on two credit cards that she wrote checks and paid them off right then.  Thank you, God! I am hoping that this is what happened to you. — HyperBum          HyperBum, If only what happened to you happened to me!  First off, an appology for my not answering your post sooner.  I’m sorry, but sometimes the chronic pain can rule my life for brief periods of time. What my family actually did was this: after getting my father’s bills (he is in a nursing home permanently) & my bills together, they proceeded to take them out of all of the envelopes and mix dis-similar bills together.  I always sort while still in the envelope when my depression gets in the way of bill-paying.  That way, you have all the phone bills together, the utility bills together, etc.  The way that my family did it will require weeks to fix, sadly.          Albert, taking baby steps in the right direction (for once!) —       Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see    the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] Albert, I am glad you are feeling better. Please call me when you feel up to it. Hugs, Ralph

Thanks so much for your support during this difficult period.  I hope that you are doing as well as possible, and of course know that the favor will always be returned:  two ears, no waiting : – } Sorry to sound so helpless, but I’ve lost your number.  Would you mind sending it to me again via email, please? Looking forward to hearing from you soon.          Albert, finally beginning to learn how to take baby-steps —       Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see    the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]     Good to hear your doing better Albert.  Stop thinking about anyone judging you or thinking you are a fool.  We’re all in great pain here from time to time and only a fool would judge or think otherwise.  Care for yourself and know that others do also across the ether. Allain

Haviing the low self-esteem that I do (constantly teasing my talk-therapist that I can play hand-ball with snails on occasion : ) it is very easy for me to forget that I am not the only person who cares about others.  There are actually people (like you) across the ether who care also.  The fact that I can even admit to this aspect of my life reminds me that I am slowly beginning to change. —     Albert, finally learning to take baby-steps in the right direction Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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How did they "mess up" your finances?  My grandma used to live with me. Once, once, she came upstairs and looked at my finances.  She was so freaked out that I owed $5000 on two credit cards that she wrote checks and paid them off right then.  Thank you, God! I am hoping that this is what happened to you. — HyperBum

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –             Dear Group, I finally discovered last Sunday that my family had done more than just feed & water my 8 year old Tuxedo tomcat.  They had also used my keys to get into my personal finances & to mess them up!

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(posted and emailed) Hello Albert- I’m so glad things are better for you!  I’m also glad that we were able to help you do things differently this time. Keep in mind that it often takes a couple of years to find the right medication combination–although you could luck out. I suggest you go to the archives and read some of Phinny’s earlier journals (if he archived them).  He had boundary issues with his family also and he found ways to deal with them.  He did rely heavily on therapy to help him–so I hope you have a therapist. Nancy permanently into the ether: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –            Dear Group, I finally discovered last Sunday that my family had done more than just feed & water my 8 year old Tuxedo tomcat.  They had also used my keys to get into my personal finances & to mess them up! I am certainly no Lord of Organization (vbg) when I am on the low end of the swing, but I was just NOT prepared for this kind of behind-the- back activity.  They could have called me in the hospital & asked if it really was all that important.  However, they chose not to. I was so upset that I felt lost, that I had run out of people that I could trust, and life had no purpose. BUT, something very odd happened:  I had been receiving such support from newsgroup members that the idea of entering the psych ward thru ICU or CICU did NOT even cross my mind.  I did, however, have doubts that Exffexor alone would help my current depression, and called someone to take me to admitting. Instead of just being considered a simple case of unipolar depression, I have now been officially diagnosed as also having bi-polar disorder, and it is no longer a game of trying to find a needle in a haystack : -}  I have been put on Zyprexxa, and feel about 10,000 times better than I did last Sunday when I admitted myself to the psych unit.  I have also finally come to the realization that my family does NOT always have my best interests at heart, and they must now be dealt with using caution at all times.  A sad state of affairs, true, but at least NOW I know where I stand. I would like to end this first day out of the pysch unit by sharing with all of you the words that helped me make a very difficult decision: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. God bless you all for simply being here.  You have helped me avoid what would have been the 3rd suicide attempt in 3 months, something that even I am embarassed to now contemplate.  I may seem like a fool to some of you, I will never be able to change that. But I will always be grateful to Nancy and the rest of the group that have answered my posts and helped give me the strength, for the FIRST time in my entire 50 years, to enter the psych unit vertically, not thru the ambulance bay of the ER.         With Love, Caring, & Peace,               Albert, taking baby-steps in the right direction

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I am so glad you sought out help.  Deal with yourself first before dealing with family.  The stronger you become both physically and mentally the easier it will become to cope. Do you have a talk therapist?  He/she can help with the psycho/social aspects of this illness. Take care, c

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –             Dear Group, I finally discovered last Sunday that my family had done more than just feed & water my 8 year old Tuxedo tomcat.  They had also used my keys to get into my personal finances & to mess them up! I am certainly no Lord of Organization (vbg) when I am on the low end of the swing, but I was just NOT prepared for this kind of behind-the- back activity.  They could have called me in the hospital & asked if it really was all that important.  However, they chose not to. I was so upset that I felt lost, that I had run out of people that I could trust, and life had no purpose. BUT, something very odd happened:  I had been receiving such support from newsgroup members that the idea of entering the psych ward thru ICU or CICU did NOT even cross my mind.  I did, however, have doubts that Exffexor alone would help my current depression, and called someone to take me to admitting. Instead of just being considered a simple case of unipolar depression, I have now been officially diagnosed as also having bi-polar disorder, and it is no longer a game of trying to find a needle in a haystack : -}  I have been put on Zyprexxa, and feel about 10,000 times better than I did last Sunday when I admitted myself to the psych unit.  I have also finally come to the realization that my family does NOT always have my best interests at heart, and they must now be dealt with using caution at all times.  A sad state of affairs, true, but at least NOW I know where I stand. I would like to end this first day out of the pysch unit by sharing with all of you the words that helped me make a very difficult decision: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. God bless you all for simply being here.  You have helped me avoid what would have been the 3rd suicide attempt in 3 months, something that even I am embarassed to now contemplate.  I may seem like a fool to some of you, I will never be able to change that. But I will always be grateful to Nancy and the rest of the group that have answered my posts and helped give me the strength, for the FIRST time in my entire 50 years, to enter the psych unit vertically, not thru the ambulance bay of the ER.          With Love, Caring, & Peace,                Albert, taking baby-steps in the right direction —       Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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            Dear Group, I finally discovered last Sunday that my family had done more than just feed & water my 8 year old Tuxedo tomcat.  They had also used my keys to get into my personal finances & to mess them up! I am certainly no Lord of Organization (vbg) when I am on the low end of the swing, but I was just NOT prepared for this kind of behind-the- back activity.  They could have called me in the hospital & asked if it really was all that important.  However, they chose not to. I was so upset that I felt lost, that I had run out of people that I could trust, and life had no purpose. BUT, something very odd happened:  I had been receiving such support from newsgroup members that the idea of entering the psych ward thru ICU or CICU did NOT even cross my mind.  I did, however, have doubts that Exffexor alone would help my current depression, and called someone to take me to admitting. Instead of just being considered a simple case of unipolar depression, I have now been officially diagnosed as also having bi-polar disorder, and it is no longer a game of trying to find a needle in a haystack : -}  I have been put on Zyprexxa, and feel about 10,000 times better than I did last Sunday when I admitted myself to the psych unit.  I have also finally come to the realization that my family does NOT always have my best interests at heart, and they must now be dealt with using caution at all times.  A sad state of affairs, true, but at least NOW I know where I stand. I would like to end this first day out of the pysch unit by sharing with all of you the words that helped me make a very difficult decision: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. God bless you all for simply being here.  You have helped me avoid what would have been the 3rd suicide attempt in 3 months, something that even I am embarassed to now contemplate.  I may seem like a fool to some of you, I will never be able to change that. But I will always be grateful to Nancy and the rest of the group that have answered my posts and helped give me the strength, for the FIRST time in my entire 50 years, to enter the psych unit vertically, not thru the ambulance bay of the ER.          With Love, Caring, & Peace,                Albert, taking baby-steps in the right direction —       Tis Easier to go thru the eye of a needle, than the knee of an idol

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Albert, I am glad you are feeling better. Please call me when you feel up to it. Hugs, Ralph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –            Dear Group, I finally discovered last Sunday that my family had done more than just feed & water my 8 year old Tuxedo tomcat.  They had also used my keys to get into my personal finances & to mess them up! I am certainly no Lord of Organization (vbg) when I am on the low end of the swing, but I was just NOT prepared for this kind of behind-the- back activity.  They could have called me in the hospital & asked if it really was all that important.  However, they chose not to. I was so upset that I felt lost, that I had run out of people that I could trust, and life had no purpose. BUT, something very odd happened:  I had been receiving such support from newsgroup members that the idea of entering the psych ward thru ICU or CICU did NOT even cross my mind.  I did, however, have doubts that Exffexor alone would help my current depression, and called someone to take me to admitting. Instead of just being considered a simple case of unipolar depression, I have now been officially diagnosed as also having bi-polar disorder, and it is no longer a game of trying to find a needle in a haystack : -}  I have been put on Zyprexxa, and feel about 10,000 times better than I did last Sunday when I admitted myself to the psych unit.  I have also finally come to the realization that my family does NOT always have my best interests at heart, and they must now be dealt with using caution at all times.  A sad state of affairs, true, but at least NOW I know where I stand. I would like to end this first day out of the pysch unit by sharing with all of you the words that helped me make a very difficult decision: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. God bless you all for simply being here.  You have helped me avoid what would have been the 3rd suicide attempt in 3 months, something that even I am embarassed to now contemplate.  I may seem like a fool to some of you, I will never be able to change that. But I will always be grateful to Nancy and the rest of the group that have answered my posts and helped give me the strength, for the FIRST time in my entire 50 years, to enter the psych unit vertically, not thru the ambulance bay of the ER.         With Love, Caring, & Peace,               Albert, taking baby-steps in the right direction

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In article <3C3CCA5D.84202…@rogers.com>, J Wootton  <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: >Do you have OA or "simple" frozen shoulder?  Not to minimalize your pain, but I found >out a while ago, there’s a difference.  I’d been calling mine frozen too because it >is. >The person who gives the injections said that for frozen shoulder she typically gives >10mls of cortisone on each side of the shoulder, whereas with OA it’s 40 mls right >into the AC joint.

No bone damage anywhere but my feet yet.  And that’s mostly because I started doing high impact scottish and irish dance when I was 15.  It’s "simple" frozen shoulder because it’s just the connective tissues forming adhesions. However, the manipulation required last time to break down those adhesions convinced me that I REALLY don’t want to do that again.  Once things settle down some more, I’m supposed to do physical therapy to help build up some weak muscles.  He also wants us working on scapula stability, since the whole shoulder joint is pretty loose.  Same routine I’ve done with my wrists, ankles, knees, and hips at various times.  I have rubberband ligaments. — Lee M.Thompson-Herbert        l…@retro.com            KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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In article <a1j5ic$cf…@gw.retro.com>, l…@gw.retro.com (Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thompson-Herbert) wrote: > In article <3C3CCA5D.84202…@rogers.com>, > J Wootton  <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: > >Do you have OA or "simple" frozen shoulder?  Not to minimalize your pain, but I found > >out a while ago, there’s a difference.  I’d been calling mine frozen too because it > >is. > >The person who gives the injections said that for frozen shoulder she typically gives > >10mls of cortisone on each side of the shoulder, whereas with OA it’s 40 mls right > >into the AC joint. > No bone damage anywhere but my feet yet.  And that’s mostly because I started > doing high impact scottish and irish dance when I was 15.  It’s "simple" > frozen shoulder because it’s just the connective tissues forming adhesions. > However, the manipulation required last time to break down those adhesions > convinced me that I REALLY don’t want to do that again.  Once things settle > down some more, I’m supposed to do physical therapy to help build up some > weak muscles.  He also wants us working on scapula stability, since the > whole shoulder joint is pretty loose.  Same routine I’ve done with my > wrists, ankles, knees, and hips at various times.  I have rubberband > ligaments. > — > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert        l…@retro.com           KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

Lee hope the shoulder is better. I had bursitis in my shoulder for years and we went the prednisone injection route. Last month they did surgery and found no cartilage left at all.  They operated by slicing through part of the shoulder and muscle and taking out bone and the little ball and replacing it with a 7 inch spike and metal ball.  It hurts to lift the arm still but when I go to the gym and get in the pool I can work it out pretty well.  Have trouble lifting the arm above my waist, and my poor husband has to help me dress and brush my hair.  He is very creative about it and he makes me laugh. This all leads back to how many shots they give you over a long period of time. I take 50mg Vioxx every day and it is not helping any so I hope to get permission to quit.  I started getting shots in my early twenties for the problem and 40 years of the prednisone shots really wrecked it.  cheers  ruth

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Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Sigh.  I may end up having my shoulder injected, as well.  Orthopedist told > me that if conservative treatment doesn’t help it enough

wet towel micro-waved? > in the next three > weeks, I should just have it injected.  I’ve had frozen shoulder in that > shoulder before, so he’s got _me_ convinced.  Stupid me, I slacked off > during the holidays, then spent all weekend playing flute.  While wearing > a heavy coat which weighed down the arm I have to hold up.  Duh.

Well, here’s my "duh".  Leaves and chestnuts fell.  So in order to conserve arm movements, I raked them into a pile then, shovelled them into the bag.  The wrist twist motion gave me tennis elbow..and started this current.  It had just calmed down after about a month of conservative treatment, when more leaves and nuts fell, so what did I do?  Same thing (thought it would be okay because there were less leaves/nuts and I’d wrapped my elbow with a tensor (sp) bandage.  Nope, then when the cold hit, it migrated to neck, skull and spine.  Duh me. (didn’t help when the city couldn’t make up their minds if the bags were "yard waste" "leaf collection" or "trash".  Twice I dragged the bags out to the road on the day per their instructions.  Twice I had to drag them back when the trucks ignored them. > Now I have more vicodin and instructions to keep doing range of motion > exercises so the shoulder doesn’t freeze up again.  It’s been a good 5 > or 6 years since I’ve been this stupid about my hands and arms.  Guess > I was due for a reminder that the penalty for acting stupid is pain.

No kidding ! Do you have OA or "simple" frozen shoulder?  Not to minimalize your pain, but I found out a while ago, there’s a difference.  I’d been calling mine frozen too because it is. The person who gives the injections said that for frozen shoulder she typically gives 10mls of cortisone on each side of the shoulder, whereas with OA it’s 40 mls right into the AC joint. http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/shoulderprobs/shoulderqa.htm Mine falls under "Arthritis of the Shoulder" I guess. Anyways, pain is pain.  Hope yours feels better soon. J PS Good thing you don’t play the tuba

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 02:06:16 GMT, J Wootton <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: >Smart?  Your memory amazes me.  It was today.  Got the injection.  Same shoulder >but different injection point. >Oddly enough, so far, I don’t have the severe burning reaction I had last time >for two days (after the injection).

sounds like the previous injection hit a nerve – literally.  that can make for some pretty bad burning pain even if it’s just a vaccination. I had the HepB series a few years ago (working in a medical environment it’s a requirement).  The first shot didn’t hurt.  The second one my arm ached for a day or two like you describe.  The third had no problems at all.  Boss-Lady (MD) said it was ’cause the second shot was too close to a significant nerve.  that’s part of why they try to give such shots in more fleshy areas.

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In article <h6so3ug0v2dt03hm6ptuaf3amjti62c…@4ax.com>, KCat <kcdoc…@ghg.net> wrote [] > Boss-Lady (MD) said it was ’cause the second >shot was too close to a significant nerve.  that’s part of why they >try to give such shots in more fleshy areas.

That’s all right if you *have* any fleshy areas! — Andy [Editor, Austrian Philatelic Society] For Austrian philately <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/austamps> For Lupus <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/lupus> For my other interests <URL:http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk>

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KCat wrote: > sounds like the previous injection hit a nerve – literally. []  The > second one my arm ached for a day or two like you describe.  The third > had no problems at all.  Boss-Lady (MD) said it was ’cause the second > shot was too close to a significant nerve.  that’s part of why they > try to give such shots in more fleshy areas.

Well KCat, in this case she gave the shot where she found the most pain (a different area of the same joint).  I can say the injection site is sore but nothing like the previous time.  OTOH I’m wondering when the pain relief starts.  Maybe I’m just too impatient but I was hoping for some immediate relief.  Instead now I’m getting new pains in my forearm In addition (she says that the cortisone does/should help other areas), so far my neck and spine still hurt. I’m also being told different stories about steroids and OA no problem for OA as long as 1) the injections aren’t too frequent 2) no problem at all, it’s the oral steroids which can do damage 3) no problem at all, it’s the needle that can do damage to, for instance, the cartilage, if given too close in the tissue to the previous injection 4) no problem at all for injection nor oral for OA, but the oral can cause problems with other organs? (Just trying to figure out if I should ask my doc for oral instead of injection). He’s previously said "no". J

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Correction.. dangers of steroids and osteoporosis (not steroids and OA) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J Wootton wrote:

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In article <3C3BA5F0.8F725…@rogers.com>, J Wootton  <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote: [...] >Smart?  Your memory amazes me.  It was today.  Got the injection.  Same shoulder >but different injection point. >Oddly enough, so far, I don’t have the severe burning reaction I had last time >for two days (after the injection). >I’ll be able to tell later (in bed) whether the injection is helping or not with >the shoulder.  Still have neck pain tho, but not as severe as over the past few >weeks.  Always something eh?  Six of one, half dozen of other is turning into >one of my most-used expressions.

Sigh.  I may end up having my shoulder injected, as well.  Orthopedist told me that if conservative treatment doesn’t help it enough in the next three weeks, I should just have it injected.  I’ve had frozen shoulder in that shoulder before, so he’s got _me_ convinced.  Stupid me, I slacked off during the holidays, then spent all weekend playing flute.  While wearing a heavy coat which weighed down the arm I have to hold up.  Duh.   Now I have more vicodin and instructions to keep doing range of motion exercises so the shoulder doesn’t freeze up again.  It’s been a good 5 or 6 years since I’ve been this stupid about my hands and arms.  Guess I was due for a reminder that the penalty for acting stupid is pain. — Lee M.Thompson-Herbert        l…@retro.com            KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995).  Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"

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BJ wrote: > How do you do that? Not only do you remember things, but you find such good > info. ( reverent silence)

Dunno, think someone would pay me to be an online researcher (as long as I could set the hours)?  As John knows (he ordered me back to bed this a.m.), I’m up in the wee hours, and if I’m not in too much pain or brain-fogged, the ‘net just flies. > I haven’t followed through on that. It means going > to the doctor again.

Yes, well, your going to talk to him about pain meds anyways.  gotcha! <g> > I do enough of that. I guess I am doctored out right > now. I have a number of important things that need attention.I know I should > do something about it. My grandmother shared a room with me when she came to > visit. I remember being frightened as a kid because she snored loudly and > then would stop breathing for a while. She had a heart condition and died at > age 73. My Dad and his twin brother were like that too. My Dad died of a > heart attack at 53 and his brother from the same at 61. Definitely some > family history there. Somehow though, I think of that as the least of my > problems.

Well, just talked to my brother.  Despite a year on CPAP he’s still very fatigued and still sleep-deprived. There was a feeling of an immediate improvement and if his power doesn’t fail, he does sleep better and through the night. Otherwise, the stopping breathing wakes him up every 2 or 3 hours, can’t get into the proper sequential sleep stages that way. What I’m saying is that it might help you with some of the fatigue, and might extend your health and life. Just depends I guess, how severe your apnea is. > Don’t you go for that shot today? Maybe it is the 10th that you > go. I am not as smart as some people I know. You are a good kid.

Smart?  Your memory amazes me.  It was today.  Got the injection.  Same shoulder but different injection point. Oddly enough, so far, I don’t have the severe burning reaction I had last time for two days (after the injection). I’ll be able to tell later (in bed) whether the injection is helping or not with the shoulder.  Still have neck pain tho, but not as severe as over the past few weeks.  Always something eh?  Six of one, half dozen of other is turning into one of my most-used expressions. J PS Kid, i wish.  I’ve been XXX going on 18 ever since my 29th birthday.

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Hi J, How do you do that? Not only do you remember things, but you find such good info. ( reverent silence) I haven’t followed through on that. It means going to the doctor again. I do enough of that. I guess I am doctored out right now. I have a number of important things that need attention.I know I should do something about it. My grandmother shared a room with me when she came to visit. I remember being frightened as a kid because she snored loudly and then would stop breathing for a while. She had a heart condition and died at age 73. My Dad and his twin brother were like that too. My Dad died of a heart attack at 53 and his brother from the same at 61. Definitely some family history there. Somehow though, I think of that as the least of my problems. Don’t you go for that shot today? Maybe it is the 10th that you go. I am not as smart as some people I know. You are a good kid. Thank you. Fondly, BJ "J Wootton" <jwoot…@rogers.com> wrote in message

news:3C3AB1EA.3F3EAEB6@rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello BJ, > Just remembered a post that you made last October as follows…. > Yes, I do not what you mean about sleeping so much, but never feeling > rested. My husband says that I stop breathing for > rather lengthy intervals, gasp and begin breathing again. He says that > sometimes it takes so long that he pokes me to get me to take a deep > breath and start again. He thinks it is sleep apnea and wants me to > see the dr about it. I haven’t done that yet. <snip> > http://www.sask.cbc.ca/archives/apnea/ > Procyshen’s doctor referred him to Dr. Sridhar, at the Sleep Clinic, > located in the  Regina General Hospital. > The machine is provided free of charge through the Saskatchewan Aids > for Independent Living. However, the nose mask and hose must be > purchased. They cost several hundred dollars.<snip> > Did I tell you that there’s a portable home-version tester?  It’s only > available to those who can’t access sleep clinics. > Perhaps your husband could call your doctor and request that the unit > be ordered?  (it’s loaned out) and then you could do the testing at > home where you are comfier.  You wear the thing every night for a > number of days.  Then it’s sent back and the results are put into a > computer.  Then they know how severe the apnea is and what levels to > start you on with the CPAP. > Apparently the tester is quite user-friendly.  Plug it in and some > light attachment on the head which does some measuring at the nose or > mouth.  Unplug in the a.m. and proceed with your day.  Use it only > when you are sleeping (sitting or lying down). > Hope you’ll think about it.  Sleep apnea can have serious consequences > to the heart and vascular. > Gotta stick around a long time so we can enjoy your company. > J

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Hello BJ, Just remembered a post that you made last October as follows…. Yes, I do not what you mean about sleeping so much, but never feeling rested. My husband says that I stop breathing for rather lengthy intervals, gasp and begin breathing again. He says that sometimes it takes so long that he pokes me to get me to take a deep breath and start again. He thinks it is sleep apnea and wants me to see the dr about it. I haven’t done that yet. <snip> http://www.sask.cbc.ca/archives/apnea/ Procyshen’s doctor referred him to Dr. Sridhar, at the Sleep Clinic, located in the  Regina General Hospital. The machine is provided free of charge through the Saskatchewan Aids for Independent Living. However, the nose mask and hose must be purchased. They cost several hundred dollars.<snip> Did I tell you that there’s a portable home-version tester?  It’s only available to those who can’t access sleep clinics. Perhaps your husband could call your doctor and request that the unit be ordered?  (it’s loaned out) and then you could do the testing at home where you are comfier.  You wear the thing every night for a number of days.  Then it’s sent back and the results are put into a computer.  Then they know how severe the apnea is and what levels to start you on with the CPAP. Apparently the tester is quite user-friendly.  Plug it in and some light attachment on the head which does some measuring at the nose or mouth.  Unplug in the a.m. and proceed with your day.  Use it only when you are sleeping (sitting or lying down). Hope you’ll think about it.  Sleep apnea can have serious consequences to the heart and vascular. Gotta stick around a long time so we can enjoy your company. J

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Hi, I’m new to the newsgroup, though I’ve been lurking for a couple of weeks.  I’ve been experimenting with low carb for the past 5 weeks or so and started doing Atkins in earnest about 3 weeks ago.  I had trouble getting started because – contrary to my expectations – I found myself ravenously hungry at 20g carbs per day.  Hungry like I’d never been in my life. Once I got settled into Induction, things started going better.  I still got hungry even right after a large, low carb meal but it was manageable.  I got the occasional dull headache but I was thrilled to death that my old stomach acid problems had virtually vanished.  I can’t tell you how wonderful it is not to have to cart around a bottle of Tums all the time.  I am well into ketosis and have even recently managed to get into the purple while drinking 100+ oz of water every day. Anyway, yesterday things started to go a little sour.  The headache got worse and was now accompanied by a pain at the back of my neck. At first I dismissed it as one of those things but I have since read that neck pain may be associated with poor adrenal function which can be related to hypoglycemia.  I also felt shaky, weak and drowsy all day.  I ate a few more carbs – nuts and berries – in an attempt to compensate.  By the time I went to bed I was feeling ok.  But then this morning, I woke an hour before the alarm and wanted to go back to sleep so I rolled over and instantly suffered a bad attack of vertigo.  The dizziness lasted maybe 30 seconds but when I opened my eyes the room was still spinning visually as if I were rolling my eyes all around, which I wasn’t.  This lasted considerably longer.  It was very frightening.  When it abated, I got up and went into the bathroom.  In the mirror my face was pale (I suffer from rosacea so I was actually quite pleased, I hadn’t looked that normal in ages.) But within a few minutes I was flushing pretty badly and have been on and off all day. The reason I got interested in low carbing in the first place was because I read that it helped rosacea.  It hasn’t been helping me.  I actually started breaking out a couple of days ago.  Interestingly, I read somewhere that one of the symptoms of hypoglycemia is flushing. I went to the doctor (HMO guy, never saw him before) feeling all weak and shaky.  They took my BP both reclining and standing.  I was happy that it had gone down a little, but it was still elevated.  The doctor was concerned about my ears.  He couldn’t find anything wrong with them but was still sure that they were my problem.  I wanted to talk about hypoglycemia but he didn’t seem interested at all and he never explained to me why I might be off base with my concerns.  He finally consented to a blood test because he wanted to check my kidney function to make sure the Atkins diet wasn’t damaging my kidneys.  He also said he’d check the glucose levels.  I asked if he could check insulin too and he said, "Oh, we don’t do that."  Then he kinda chuckled and added, "What, is that an Atkins thing?"  Well, I can’t say I’ve got a lot of confidence in the guy. I don’t know what the tests will show, of course.  And to really get to the bottom of it all, Iknow I’d need one of those 5 hour glucose tests but I had a hard enough time getting a regular blood test.  I know you’re not experts here but I was just hoping to get some opinions and perhaps some reassurances.  I’m afraid my brain isn’t getting enough glucose. Thanks, Dorothy

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I’m afraid my brain isn’t getting enough glucose.

If you’re not feeling well, maybe you should move to a less severe low carb plan. If you can find it, read a copy of the Schwartzenbein Principle by Diana Schwartzenbein. Frankly, I’d eat more complex carbs until you can get another doctor. One who will listen to you and help you. Were you using Lite Salt for the potassium, and have you been taking some supplements? Maybe you’re allergic to something you’ve been eating/taking? Though lack of potassium could cause headaches like that. Don’t take the Lite Salt if your doctor recommends against potassium supplements. ….. Bridget M. LC 7/12/2001 188/176/126

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     Eat more protein and monosaturated fats more often during the day.  Skipping meals and dieting tend to allow the hypoglycemic episodes to continue.  I’m betting your caloric intake is way down (post some fitday.com reports for several days).   I’d suggest a cheese-meat roll-up, an ounce or two of macadamia nuts or an ounce of almonds instead of a carb snack to quell the attack.  Increasing the daily carbs to 30 grams using complex carbohydrates and more green leafy and cruciferous vegetables probably wouldn’t hurt either.   Lee Rodgers Hi, I’m new to the newsgroup, though I’ve been lurking for a couple of weeks.  I’ve been experimenting with low carb for the past 5 weeks or so and started doing Atkins in earnest about 3 weeks ago.  I had trouble getting started because – contrary to my expectations – I found myself ravenously hungry at 20g carbs per day.  Hungry like I’d never been in my life.

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Dorothy, Is it possible that independent of your diet you have come down with a virus that has attacked your inner ear. I woke up with one of these one Christmas morning, completely out of the blue.  The symptoms were exactly what you describe. Turning over in bed I felt like the room was spinning.  Terrifying! I did a lot of research to find out what was going on and discovered that it was a virus that attackes the inner ear. It took a l-o-n-g time to clear up completely–almost six weeks, which is what my doctors told me would be the case. But once it cleared up it was completely gone. If you are concerned about low blood sugar, why not invest in a glucometer, the blood sugar measuring devices used by people with diabetes. They are sold at every pharmacy. In the East CVS has just started selling a very good one that only costs $9.99.  The strips cost $25 for a pack of 50 which is a lot cheaper than all the other brands.  The meter comes with 10 strips so if you only do occasional tests you won’t even have to buy any for a while. Hypoglycemic blood sugar levels would be those 60 mg/dl and under.

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i am not sure what you were experiencing was HUNGER, but rather i believe it "feelings" are! — read and post daily! rosie http://www.geocities.com/barrettetc/rosie.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m new to the newsgroup, though I’ve been lurking for a couple of weeks.  I’ve been experimenting with low carb for the past 5 weeks or so and started doing Atkins in earnest about 3 weeks ago.  I had trouble getting started because – contrary to my expectations – I found myself ravenously hungry at 20g carbs per day.  Hungry like I’d never been in my life. Once I got settled into Induction, things started going better.  I still got hungry even right after a large, low carb meal but it was manageable.  I got the occasional dull headache but I was thrilled to death that my old stomach acid problems had virtually vanished.  I can’t tell you how wonderful it is not to have to cart around a bottle of Tums all the time.  I am well into ketosis and have even recently managed to get into the purple while drinking 100+ oz of water every day. Anyway, yesterday things started to go a little sour.  The headache got worse and was now accompanied by a pain at the back of my neck. At first I dismissed it as one of those things but I have since read that neck pain may be associated with poor adrenal function which can be related to hypoglycemia.  I also felt shaky, weak and drowsy all day.  I ate a few more carbs – nuts and berries – in an attempt to compensate.  By the time I went to bed I was feeling ok.  But then this morning, I woke an hour before the alarm and wanted to go back to sleep so I rolled over and instantly suffered a bad attack of vertigo.  The dizziness lasted maybe 30 seconds but when I opened my eyes the room was still spinning visually as if I were rolling my eyes all around, which I wasn’t.  This lasted considerably longer.  It was very frightening.  When it abated, I got up and went into the bathroom.  In the mirror my face was pale (I suffer from rosacea so I was actually quite pleased, I hadn’t looked that normal in ages.) But within a few minutes I was flushing pretty badly and have been on and off all day. The reason I got interested in low carbing in the first place was because I read that it helped rosacea.  It hasn’t been helping me.  I actually started breaking out a couple of days ago.  Interestingly, I read somewhere that one of the symptoms of hypoglycemia is flushing. I went to the doctor (HMO guy, never saw him before) feeling all weak and shaky.  They took my BP both reclining and standing.  I was happy that it had gone down a little, but it was still elevated.  The doctor was concerned about my ears.  He couldn’t find anything wrong with them but was still sure that they were my problem.  I wanted to talk about hypoglycemia but he didn’t seem interested at all and he never explained to me why I might be off base with my concerns.  He finally consented to a blood test because he wanted to check my kidney function to make sure the Atkins diet wasn’t damaging my kidneys.  He also said he’d check the glucose levels.  I asked if he could check insulin too and he said, "Oh, we don’t do that."  Then he kinda chuckled and added, "What, is that an Atkins thing?"  Well, I can’t say I’ve got a lot of confidence in the guy. I don’t know what the tests will show, of course.  And to really get to the bottom of it all, Iknow I’d need one of those 5 hour glucose tests but I had a hard enough time getting a regular blood test.  I know you’re not experts here but I was just hoping to get some opinions and perhaps some reassurances.  I’m afraid my brain isn’t getting enough glucose. Thanks, Dorothy

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i am not sure what you were experiencing was HUNGER, but rather i believe it "feelings" are!

Dorothy, My mom once had a scary attack of severe dizziness similar to what you describe, and it turned out to be an inner-ear infection (like the one someone else posted about above). They should be able to find out if it’s that by testing. Re: hunger — I have been hungry too on Atkins induction, and no, I don’t think it’s just craving. It feels like HUNGER. I am not much of a cravings person, and I’ve always been pretty good at judging when to stop eating by paying attention to when I stop being hungry, so I know what hunger feels like. I find that a relatively high-calorie, high fat breakfast of, say, eggs scrambled in butter plus sausage (around 600 calories total) doesn’t satiate me the way, say, a bagel and butter did back in my pre-low-carb day. For fewer calories. I know other people here report much less hunger on Atkins, so I think it’s a YMMV area. I compensate by eating a lot more on Atkins. Plus sometimes I cheat a bit by sneaking in some SF peanut butter. Sue

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I have been on the Aktins diet for about two weeks and have lost about 13 lbs.  I have been having lower back pains in the area of my kidneys.  I have been drinking at least a gallon of water a day.   Eggs and bacon for breakfast, deli meets (roast beast, turkey and cheese) and fish or beef for dinner.  Wondering and concerned as to what I am doing wrong? Don’t want to damage the ole kidneys! Ross —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I have been on the Aktins diet for about two weeks and have lost about 13 lbs.  I have been having lower back pains in the area of my kidneys.  I have been drinking at least a gallon of water a day.   Eggs and bacon for breakfast, deli meets (roast beast, turkey and cheese) and fish or beef for dinner.  Wondering and concerned as to what I am doing wrong? Don’t want to damage the ole kidneys!

Go to see your doctor! This is not normal. PS, Where are your vegetables? Maybe you need to reread your book. ….. Bridget M. LC 7/12/2001 188/176/126

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If you’re not feeling well, maybe you should move to a less severe low carb plan. If you can find it, read a copy of the Schwartzenbein Principle by Diana Schwartzenbein. Frankly, I’d eat more complex carbs until you can get another doctor. One who will listen to you and help you.

Thanks for the reference.  I’ll see if I can find it. Were you using Lite Salt for the potassium, and have you been taking some supplements?

Yes, I’m taking potassium supplements as well as a multivitamin. Dorothy

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I’m betting your caloric intake is way down

You may be on to something there.  I do need to keep better track of my calories. Thanks, Dorothy

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Is it possible that independent of your diet you have come down with a virus that has attacked your inner ear.

That was my first thought but the vision disturbances made me wonder. When I saw the doctor, he did his "sure-fire inner ear test" which involved eye tracking and rapid changes in position and I didn’t get dizzy at all.  And I’m feeling pretty good today.  I’ve been making sure that I eat enough. If you are concerned about low blood sugar, why not invest in a glucometer, the blood sugar measuring devices used by people with diabetes. They are sold at every pharmacy. In the East CVS has just started selling a very good one that only costs $9.99.  The strips cost $25 for a pack of 50 which is a lot cheaper than all the other brands.  The meter comes with 10 strips so if you only do occasional tests you won’t even have to buy any for a while. Hypoglycemic blood sugar levels would be those 60 mg/dl and under.

Thanks for the info and the suggestion.  I will look into it. Dorothy

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i am not sure what you were experiencing was HUNGER, but rather i believe it "feelings" are!

I’m pretty sure it’s hunger, cravings have been more like a specific compulsion for me.  What I’m talking about is an empty, gnawing sensation in my stomach.  It was so severe one night that it woke me up.  I had had a large dinner that night – steak and lobster and salad.  I may have even snacked afterward on pork rinds or jerky.  I had certainly eaten enough but I have suspected for some time that my hunger signals are messed up.  I can be stuffed and hungry at the same time. Dorothy

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My mom once had a scary attack of severe dizziness similar to what you describe, and it turned out to be an inner-ear infection (like the one someone else posted about above). They should be able to find out if it’s that by testing.

He didn’t find anything wrong with my ears and the episode only last a few minutes.  It’s all cleared up now. I’ve always been pretty good at judging when to stop eating by paying attention to when I stop being hungry, so I know what hunger feels like.

My hunger lies to me.  I can be hungry after a huge, bloating meal. I’ve learned to ignore it.  I have noticed some improvement lately and I think that might have brought on my recent problem.  I was forgetting to eat.  I missed a meal on Sunday and my snacks have gone uneaten.  I just haven’t been very hungry. Dorothy

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plan. If you can find it, read a copy of the Schwartzenbein Principle byDiana Schwartzenbein. Diana Schwarzbein is an endocrinologist and her book "The Schwarzbein Principle" is always available at barnesandnoble.com for only $11.65. Trust me it will be the best money you ever spent.   Happy low carbing –                                      Dawn

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Diana Schwarzbein is an endocrinologist

You say this every post…

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Diana Schwarzbein is an endocrinologist You say this every post…

 Yes and?

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Dorothy, Eat more!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am not sure what you were experiencing was HUNGER, but rather i believe it two "feelings" are! I’m pretty sure it’s hunger, cravings have been more like a specific compulsion for me.  What I’m talking about is an empty, gnawing sensation in my stomach.  It was so severe one night that it woke me up.  I had had a large dinner that night – steak and lobster and salad.  I may have even snacked afterward on pork rinds or jerky.  I had certainly eaten enough but I have suspected for some time that my hunger signals are messed up.  I can be stuffed and hungry at the same time. Dorothy

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I’m pretty sure it’s hunger, cravings have been more like a specific compulsion for me.  What I’m talking about is an empty, gnawing sensation in my stomach.  It was so severe one night that it woke me up.  I had had a large dinner that night – steak and lobster and salad.  I may have even snacked afterward on pork rinds or jerky.  I had certainly eaten enough but I have suspected for some time that my hunger signals are messed up.  I can be stuffed and hungry at the same time. Dorothy

In the "Protein Power" book, the Drs. Eades note that a gnawing kind of hunger could be a sign of an ulcer or gastritis (inflammation of the stomach lining).  The stomach releases a small amount of acid during the night that can cause discomfort if you have one of these conditions. Eating helps to neutralize the acid, and relieves the ‘hunger pangs’.  The Eades claim that a low-carb diet helps to heal ulcers and gastritis, and say these conditions can be worsened by overeating carbs. I don’t know if this describes what you’re experiencing, just thought I’d mention it. hth, Lisa aka bunniee http://www.bunniee.net/ Hello Kitty Ninja Warriors

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The bad headache at the back of the head (resembling a hangover) might be related to dehydration.  It’s pretty easy to get somewhat dehydrated on induction.   Besides blood sugar withdrawal, some of the weak, dizzy feeling might related to the excess excretion of potassium and sodium on induction. You might try adding some Lite salt to your food, or 1/8 tsp to a glass of sugarfree Kool-Aid or Crystal Lite to make a sort of homemade sugarfree Gatorade. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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The weak dizzying feeling can also be low zinc levels and low blood sugar. Holly

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Hi all, Long time reader, first time poster.  This group has been great for me, the support is fantastic. Now about my problem.  I am 43, a computer programmer (sitting at desk all day) and have advanced degenerative disk disease(DDD) and spasams. This has been going on for about 2 years.  Sports, that I did earlier in life, caused many back injuries.  According to one doc the DDD was worsened by the back injuries in my teens and early twentys.  He said the level of degeneration in my back is what you would expect in a 60 year old. My current doctor allows me one(1) Norco a day, 50mg Elavil, and 3 Somas with the usual assortment of NAISD’s.  The problem is that with only one Norco a day I find I am bearing the pain, and finding it hard to concentrate on my work, until I can take the Norco in the afternoon.  It is interfering with my work because of the lost concentration and focus.  Yes, I am doing counciling to try and mentally deal with the pain (meditation, light exercise, Dr. John Sarno’s books etc…  the usual stuff)   I have talked with my current doctor about upping the dose to two Norcos a day.  I feel if I could have one in the morning and one in the afternoon I could deal with the pain much better.  However, my doc does not want me to increase the dosage of the Norco for fear of addiction.  Right now I could care less about the addiction I just want to stop hurting and be more productive.  Does anyone know of a doctor in the San Antonio area that might be more understanding?  I don’t really have the time right now to "shop" around for a Dr.  If I have to, I will. Any help, of any sort, would be greatly appreciated. I feel  I’m at the end of my rope. Thanks, Henry

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Henry, sounds to me like it’s time to shop pat

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Get to a doctor who specializes in chronic pain, and your problem will no

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Henry,      You are probably going to keep getting the same response. A doctor who is prescribing one moderate pain reliever and talks about addiction if you move to two is never going to help you. The following is a provision from the Texas Pain Statute 5. No physician may be subject to disciplinary action by the board for prescribing or administering dangerous drugs or controlled substances in the course of treatment of a person for intractable pain. Since the Dr. is protected from action for doing his job, he is most likely anti-opiate. I would ask him for a referral to a doctor who is a pain specialist.  Just tell him with his kind of doctoring you will soon lose your job. Also find out if he has to prescribe you the same amount for the time it takes to get approved by a pain doctor. Find this out before you dump him. Peace, Richard

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Richard, I e-mailed him the links to find the right kind of doctor. — Ruada Appropriate, adequate, and ongoing pain relief for all who suffer–even in the Last Frontier of Alaska.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Henry,      You are probably going to keep getting the same response. A doctor who is prescribing one moderate pain reliever and talks about addiction if you move to two is never going to help you. The following is a provision from the Texas Pain Statute 5. No physician may be subject to disciplinary action by the board for prescribing or administering dangerous drugs or controlled substances in the course of treatment of a person for intractable pain. Since the Dr. is protected from action for doing his job, he is most likely anti-opiate. I would ask him for a referral to a doctor who is a pain specialist.  Just tell him with his kind of doctoring you will soon lose your job. Also find out if he has to prescribe you the same amount for the time it takes to get approved by a pain doctor. Find this out before you dump him. Peace, Richard

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Hi again all, Thanks to everyone who posted.  I feel a little more calm now that I have some direction and goals.  Also,  seeing light at the end of the tunnel is a BIG help. Thanks again to everyone who helped with their suggestions. Henry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all, Long time reader, first time poster.  This group has been great for me, the support is fantastic.

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So, I figure that he worst it can do is kill me. At midnight I plan to put on a parka and head for the riverfront and scream at the sky. Bye bye Jim "I never had problems with drugs, I had problems with the police." Keith Richards

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(ShatteredbyLife) etched permanently in the ether: So, I figure that he worst it can do is kill me. At midnight I plan to put on a parka and head for the riverfront and scream at the sky. Bye bye Jim

Jim- I disagree-the worst case senario is you will live and be forever bound to a bed–because you are now a vegie–not a human being.  But your mind will go on and on and on….. Please take cover. <s May your good days be many and your bad days fade away, Nancy To respond via email, delete "Z" from my addy. Please visit the new moderated recovery group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.recovery.info Also, check out the guafenisin group at alt.med.fibromyalgia.guaifenesin Please visit the new grandparents group, alt.talk.grandparents.

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Jim  –  I’ve read some of your recent posts, and it sounds like you’re in a lot of pain right now.  I don’t blame you for wanting to scream into the sky (might be a good release, even — just please do it from a safe place . . . ).  Please post again and let us know how you’re doing. Please, PLEASE do not go to the river . . . . ~ Kate ~

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I have heard that enteric peppermint capsules might help with bloating. Has anyone here tried them? I tried to find an internet site that might supply them but had no luck. One document stated that they are not available in the US. I’m curious why since I doubt peppermint oil could be considered anything other than a dietary supplement. Anyone know of a supplier of these or a comparable product? One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism? Thanks! Geoff ghu…@ukans.edu

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A company called Enzymatic Therapy, located in Wisconsin,  sells "Peppermint Plus" which is enteric coated peppermint. It’s available in most health food stores in the U.S. . Their website is http://www.enzy.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Geoff Husic wrote: > I have heard that enteric peppermint capsules might help with bloating. > Has anyone here tried them? I tried to find an internet site that might > supply them but had no luck. One document stated that they are not > available in the US. I’m curious why since I doubt peppermint oil could > be considered anything other than a dietary supplement. Anyone know of a > supplier of these or a comparable product? > One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" > precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism? > Thanks! > Geoff > ghu…@ukans.edu

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Geoff Husic wrote: > I have heard that enteric peppermint capsules might help with bloating. > Has anyone here tried them? I tried to find an internet site that might > supply them but had no luck. One document stated that they are not > available in the US. I’m curious why since I doubt peppermint oil could > be considered anything other than a dietary supplement. Anyone know of a > supplier of these or a comparable product? > One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" > precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism?

I found Colpermin gave my terrible ‘heartburn’ even when following the instructions to the letter. Whilst Stress ‘brings on’ IBS symptoms, i don’t believe it’s what starts it initially. IMHO. Cheers, Jon.

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Jon Harris <tall…@mistral.co.uk> wrote: >Geoff Husic wrote: >> One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" >> precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism? >Whilst Stress ‘brings on’ IBS symptoms, i don’t believe it’s what starts >it initially. IMHO.

I agree that stress does not "cause" IBS.  I believe that there is always some unknown organic mechanism. In my case, my doctors were sure that I had IBS, even though it came on suddenly and I am under no great amount of stress. After 3 months of this, I got sick of the diarrhea (and feeling like I always needed to run to the bathroom) and got online and researched it to death and diagnosed myself with Clostridium difficile as I had just taken antibiotics before I got "IBS" (the doctors weren’t interested in the fact that I’d taken the antibiotics). I went in and asked to be tested for it. The results came back positive and I was treated for it, and I now feel 85-90% of normal every day instead of 50% like before. Clostridium does damage your colon and the flora, so I expect it’ll be a while before I feel 100%, but it’s great to know that what I have is fixable. If I hadn’t done the research, I would have had this for years. My doctors had dignosed me, handed me Lomatil, suggested I see a psychiatrist (because I was depressed about feeling bad all the time) and sent me home for the duration. But, I will say that having this bacteria did cause me stress, which in turn made my symptoms much worse when I had to be away from a bathroom or traveling. That’s one of the reasons that the doc thought it "must" be IBS. Wrong. The disease caused the stress, not the other way around. charlotte sometimes

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I found enteric coated peppermint oil at Healthway Health Food Stores. Look in your yellow pages under Health Food Stores. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Geoff Husic wrote: > I have heard that enteric peppermint capsules might help with bloating. > Has anyone here tried them? I tried to find an internet site that might > supply them but had no luck. One document stated that they are not > available in the US. I’m curious why since I doubt peppermint oil could > be considered anything other than a dietary supplement. Anyone know of a > supplier of these or a comparable product? > One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" > precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism? > Thanks! > Geoff > ghu…@ukans.edu

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Great news Charlotte.  I love hearing stories like this.  I’m glad to see you empowered yourself instead of just rolling over and playing dead like doctors would like us to do. What type of test was performed to identify the Clostridium and how was it treated? Thanks for the post, john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -charlotte sometimes wrote: > Jon Harris <tall…@mistral.co.uk> wrote: > >Geoff Husic wrote: > >> One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" > >> precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism? > >Whilst Stress ‘brings on’ IBS symptoms, i don’t believe it’s what starts > >it initially. IMHO. > I agree that stress does not "cause" IBS.  I believe that there is > always some unknown organic mechanism. In my case, my doctors were > sure that I had IBS, even though it came on suddenly and I am under no > great amount of stress. After 3 months of this, I got sick of the > diarrhea (and feeling like I always needed to run to the bathroom) and > got online and researched it to death and diagnosed myself with > Clostridium difficile as I had just taken antibiotics before I got > "IBS" (the doctors weren’t interested in the fact that I’d taken the > antibiotics). I went in and asked to be tested for it. The results > came back positive and I was treated for it, and I now feel 85-90% of > normal every day instead of 50% like before. Clostridium does damage > your colon and the flora, so I expect it’ll be a while before I feel > 100%, but it’s great to know that what I have is fixable. If I hadn’t > done the research, I would have had this for years. My doctors had > dignosed me, handed me Lomatil, suggested I see a psychiatrist > (because I was depressed about feeling bad all the time) and sent me > home for the duration. > But, I will say that having this bacteria did cause me stress, which > in turn made my symptoms much worse when I had to be away from a > bathroom or traveling. That’s one of the reasons that the doc thought > it "must" be IBS. Wrong. The disease caused the stress, not the other > way around. > charlotte sometimes

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In article <359D8837.7339E…@ukans.edu>, Geoff Husic <" ghusic"@ukans.edu> writes: >One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" >precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism?

Only to the Doctors who think IBS is a mental problem. The study I was in presented the consensus opinion that something is wrong with the nerves in the gut such that either motility was screwed up, or the pain perception between the gut and the brain is screwed up. ********************************************************* Blessed is he who has learned to laugh at himself, for he shall never ceased to be entertained                                           —John Powell kmot…@aol.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -KMottus wrote: > In article <359D8837.7339E…@ukans.edu>, Geoff Husic <" ghusic"@ukans.edu> > writes: > >One more question. Does it seem to be the concensus that stress is "THE" > >precipitating factor rather than some yet unknown organic mechanism? > Only to the Doctors who think IBS is a mental problem. > The study I was in presented the consensus opinion that > something is wrong with the nerves in the gut such that > either motility was screwed up, or the pain perception > between the gut and the brain is screwed up. > ********************************************************* > Blessed is he who has learned to laugh at himself, > for he shall never ceased to be entertained >                                           —John Powell > kmot…@aol.com

Just adding one point: in many of us it is probably both an abnormal motility and abnormal pain perception.  Those of us with Fibromyalgia Syndrome are thought to lack sufficient amounts of certain neurotransmitting compounds, like Serotonin, that regulate smooth muscle in the gut and elsewhere, and are also thought to have too much of a compound called "Substance P," a major carrier of pain signals to the brain.  I believe the significant progress I have made, from a very severe case of IBS, has convinced me that these problems are indeed linked to my symptoms and are "causes" of my symptoms.  I wish I could more easily feel better, but I will have to continue my medication, exercise, a very restricted diet I came up with to avoid sensitivities to many foods and lots of sleep.  I haven’t been able to fit all of this stuff in to a 24-hour day, but I am trying.  There is much Fibromyalgia info on the Web, for your further investigation.

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I had a 86 model  with the Mikuni carb setup. I never figured out why but the car would lurch and stall. Then soimetimes it would run OK again for a while. I thought it was a fuel delivery problem. changed the filter and manual fuel pump. The problem was still there. I finally installed a electric fuel pump in the rear by gas tank and I never had that problem agian. I dont know if the cam where the fuel pump rod rides was worn???? dont know. All I know is that the electric fuel pump to care of the problem. Also I never got better than 14- mpg out of the car. Another big problem is__The vehicle was always dieseling( kept running after I shut It off,) –good thing it was a standard( popp the clutch in gear) Another thing I hated about the vehicle is the Kenworth seat—I ended up with lower back pain. ( very severe) until I sold the vehicle. I will never own another one again.  One more thing about the Mits 2.6 engine it was constanlty blowing head gaskets-sucking coolant into the cylinder -2 I believe. Any I have vented about that long gone vehicle–but you might try a electric fuel pump—good luck

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I have a Mitsubishi Montero (88 2 door, 4 cyl 2.6L) and am having trouble with gas mileage and power.  Seems I have no upper end power. After about 3500 rpm I seem to run out of power.  I’ve done all the easy stuff, wires, plugs, rotor & cap, fuel filter, yet when I took it to a mechanic today he told me I have a fuel delivery problem.  His suggestion is to put a NEW carburetor on the vehicle.  He says that’s the only way Goodyear will warranty the work to my satisfaction.  He hacksawed the old filter apart and it looked a little dirty, but I’m not convinced that the carb has to be replaced/rebuilt.  I checked at Pep Boys and they can get me a rebuilt Holly carb at a cost of $350. Would this be as good as a new Mitsubishi carburetor?  I plan to keep the vehicle for a long time.   Anybody had experience along these lines they’d like to share?  Please email.  Thanks Dale

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Hi Dale, The Mikuni carbs used on the Mitsu 2.6L four can indeed be a problem.  I have an ‘87 Dodge Raider (same truck as yours except for the badges) that was having some of the same problems you describe.  Poor power, hesitation, rough idle and mileage under 14mpg.   Replacement Mikuni carbs are very expensive.  I don’t recall the exact amount, but I believe it was somewhere around $800-$900.  John Baker Performance Products sells Webber carburetors for four cylinder Monteros which are much less expensive.  Depending on emmisions laws where you live, it may or may not be legal to switch to a different type of carb. They were not legal in Colorado.  Check that out before you spend your money. I ended up having the stock carb rebuilt which cost about the same as the rebuilt Holley you talked about.  It runs much better in every way and mileage is now consistantly 20-21mpg.  If you choose to have someone rebuild the stock Mikuni carb, be sure they have experience working on them.  They are very complicated pieces of equipment and require someone that knows what they’re doing.  They work fine when they’re right, but its not easy to get them there. Good luck, Brad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a Mitsubishi Montero (88 2 door, 4 cyl 2.6L) and am having trouble with gas mileage and power.  Seems I have no upper end power. After about 3500 rpm I seem to run out of power.  I’ve done all the easy stuff, wires, plugs, rotor & cap, fuel filter, yet when I took it to a mechanic today he told me I have a fuel delivery problem.  His suggestion is to put a NEW carburetor on the vehicle.  He says that’s the only way Goodyear will warranty the work to my satisfaction.  He hacksawed the old filter apart and it looked a little dirty, but I’m not convinced that the carb has to be replaced/rebuilt.  I checked at Pep Boys and they can get me a rebuilt Holly carb at a cost of $350. Would this be as good as a new Mitsubishi carburetor?  I plan to keep the vehicle for a long time.   Anybody had experience along these lines they’d like to share?  Please email.  Thanks Dale

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